tugboat articles please

Mike Marchywka marchywka at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 13 17:52:29 CEST 2021

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 05:52:03AM -0400, Mike Marchywka wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 09:32:37AM +0100, David Carlisle wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 23:34, Mike Marchywka <marchywka at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks. I'm not sure what you mean by " pdf attachment" and maybe tried to
> > > relate the distinct topics I put in my post. The url thing was just a distraction
> > > but my quesiton concerns including information in a compiled latex document,
> > > typically pdf, so that someone wishing to cite the document could extract
> > > bibtex the document as much as is practical.  When I  release  a technical
> > > report draft  for example,  there is usually a print suggested bibtex in an appendix
> > > and similar information in the extended information.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It would be very odd I think in a multi-article format like tugboat if
> > each article had a visible bibtex entry printed within the document.

The DOI is the common solution but for publications like this it
is difficult to get a DOI for each one. The server side code
to just let people upload DOI info is probably trivial. I guess
you could come up with a scheme just to have more
DOI-esque servers and a means to point a user from the document
he wants to cite to the bibtex URL. Multi-document documents
like journals or newspapers etc could use fragments or similar
to generate a specific URL for each citable entity. The workflow
them is for the would-be author to copy the bibtex URL to
the clip board and run some code to go get the bibtex.

> Certainly the printed and machine readable part need to be appropriate 
> for the documents- an entire book or journal is different and a short
> article with printed formated bibtex may be a bit odd looking. 
> See below.
> > There is separately Nelson Beebe's bibtex file for tugboat going back
> > to the start of time
> > 
> > http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/tugboat.html
> Yes, I've got that link already open in response to
> a prior message,
> https://tug.org/pipermail/texhax/2021-August/025302.html
> and I still have not added this special case to TooBib yet
> However, the general problem of easily citing a given
> pdf or other file remains open. I guess documents could
> have a single " for citing information see [ link ]" 
> line that is acceptable to the reader and also in
> the extended information. In the absence of a cooperating
> server the known information could be inserted in 
> machine readable form. Is there a latex pacakge or
> agreed upon way to do that? 
> You do raise a good point however about citing hierarchial
> documents. I guess with html there is a fragment concept,  
> https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Fragment.html   
> if you were viewing a collection web page and could find the fragment 
> for the abstract or paper you with to cite that would let software
> sort out the specific document of interest.
> While we are on this, PDF AFAICT also does not have a means to 
> put a "referer" header in a request when clicking on a link.
> So, if I'm reading a document and click on a link in the bibliography
> ( which is typically to another document cited by the author
> but with BomTex could be to a product manufacturer or "advertiser"
> ) the target server is not away of the document generating the interest
> unless a docuement idetentifier is encoded in the request url ( typically
> a query string ).  
> Am I wrong about this or is there an easy way to track user actions
> in response to a given work? 
> > 
> > David
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> mike marchywka
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> canton GA 30115
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> marchywka at hotmail.com
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mike marchywka
306 charles cox
canton GA 30115
USA, Earth 
marchywka at hotmail.com
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