Annual upgrade

Patrick Bideault pb-latex at
Thu Mar 28 11:46:40 CET 2024

Hi all.

Thank you for your replies.

> Envoyé: mercredi 27 mars 2024 à 19:15
> De: "Alois Steindl" <Alois.Steindl at>
> Objet: Re: Annual upgrade
> [...]
> You didn't tell us at all, what precisely went wrong in your case.

It was on purpose: my TeX Live is back on tracks now.

I obviously did something wrong when upgrading, I don't even know what
exactly. I just wanted to point out how complex the whole operation is, and how
this complexity can put users off.

> Envoyé: mercredi 27 mars 2024 à 20:14
> De: "George N. White III" <gnwiii at>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 10:15 AM Patrick Bideault via tex-live <tex-live at> wrote:
> [...]
> If you want TL to work on release, you should participate in pre-release testing.  

Noted. Thank you.

> It would be useful to know if your issue could have been avoided by better
> documentation and whether the underlying issue was a bug in the installer
> or initial packages or some clash with the host system.

See above.

> Envoyé: mercredi 27 mars 2024 à 23:36
> De: "Norbert Preining" <norbert at>
> Objet: Re: Annual upgrade
> You haven't told us *what* went wrong, so not much to help here.

See above.

> And no, tlmgr is not APT, because it has to do much more than APT, it
> has to run un 15+ different OS and ARCH combinations, while APT just
> runs on Linux. Most people underestimate the complications we are facing
> due to multi-os multi-arch support.

Indeed, I obviously underestimated it. My suggestion was tlmgr upgrading
a running system, so that it could duplicate the way data is stored and the user

> Bottom line: Without a proper bug report on what went wrong, we cannot
> improve the system, and we on purpose WANT people to do reinstallations
> since cross-release updates are not simple.

Fair enough.

> Envoyé: jeudi 28 mars 2024 à 01:42
> De: "Reinhard Kotucha" <reinhard.kotucha at>
> Objet: Re: Annual upgrade
> [...]
> Does APT support rolling releases?  Presumably not and it seems that
> we are trying to compare apples and pears.

Understood. I just used the example to show a complex yet accessible system.

> Envoyé: jeudi 28 mars 2024 à 09:23
> De: "Markus Kohm via tex-live" <tex-live at>
> Objet: Re: Annual upgrade
> [...]
> To avoid this, you should not do an upgrade but a fresh installation.

That is what I usually do.



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