From acurtis@ieee.org Tue Jan 13 12:00:01 2004
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:32:09 -0500
From: Alan Curtis
To: Wendy McKay
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] pdftex and Illustrator 10
Wendy,
I am sorry if I didn't explain the 'feature' correctly and maybe there
were some things I discovered after making the bug report. As I see it
the problems are as follows.
The problems are to do with the interaction of TeX and Illustrator 10
using fonts with symbols, for example when typesetting equations, which
I broadly assume are to do with font encoding.
1. I can create pdf files in TeX and have them display and print
correctly in Illustrator. However, those files cannot be re-imported
back into a TeX document. They do not print or display properly in
other applications that read pdf files.
2. I can create pdf files in TeX, open them in Illustrator, cut and
paste them into other Illustrator documents and export them to other
pdf applications and have them display and print properly in those
applications. (There are some important exceptions in that a few
characters do not make it through the process and are missing in the
final print.) However, these pdf files do not display or print
correctly in Illustrator.
Thus the problem seems to be, as you say, that Illustrator treats pdf
files differently from other applications. I gather that that is not a
surprise and is partly a function of the purpose of Illustrator
compared to general pdf readers.
My original question (lost now in traffic noise) was prompted by
hearing of the new font capabilities of Illustrator CS and was
essential does Illustrator CS behave in the same way as Illustrator 10
or has the problem/feature been 'fixed'.
Thank you for helping us understand these issues.
Alan
On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 01:08 PM, Wendy McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Alan Curtis wrote:
>
>> This is definitely getting toward the status of an FAQ.
>>
>> I found two ways of importing pdf's created by paflatex into
>> Illustrator and having them display and print correctly in
>> Illustrator.
>> (If you want them to display correctly when you re-import the file to
>> a
>> pdflatex file, use WARMtoPDF.
>>
>> This is how I did it.
>
>
>
> does this mean that the bug you reported is now just an annoyance
> that illustrator does not know how to import PDF files created by
> other programs?
>
> Were you able to reimport the PDF file you created with illustrator
> back into illustrator as well?
> (Don't laugh. Framemaker used to have problems importing the files
> it created back in 1995.)
>
> /// wendy
>
>
>
>
>> 1. Put a copy of the CM postscript fonts where Illustrator can find
>> them. I chose /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts.
>>
>> then either
>>
>> 2. use the aifonts package from CTAN
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2. use LaTeX->dvi->ps to create a dvi file, then create a pdf file in
>> the Terminal by typing dvips -Ppdf -o outputfile.pdf thedvifile
>> (substitute as necessary).
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Opening the pdf file in Illustrator, everything looks fine when edited
>> and printed.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Andre Jalobeanu wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> When I create an equation with texshop (which uses pdflatex to make a
>>> pdf file), some characters are not displayed correctly when importing
>>> the pdf in Illustrator 10.
>>> I installed the pdftex-illustrator fonts in ~/Library/Applications
>>> Support/Adobe... as suggested. However, the greek characters don't
>>> show up.
>>> I also tried the command \pdfmovechars=1 or 2 in my latex source
>>> file.
>>> It didn't work either.
>>> I looked up the archives of the mailing list but I didn't find
>>> anything to help me solve the problem.
>>>
>>> So is there any simple way to import pdf equations in Illustrator to
>>> create nice posters, or do I still have to make huge bitmaps (with a
>>> non-transparent background of course) to insert math into Illustrator
>>> documents?
>>>
>>> I also tried Latex Equation Editor, which works very fine to drop
>>> equations into any document (e.g. Powerpoint) but doesn't work at all
>>> with Illustrator. It seems to use latex+dvips+distiller and not
>>> pdflatex.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Andre.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Please see for list
>>> guidelines, information, and LaTeX/TeX resources.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Please see for list
>> guidelines, information, and LaTeX/TeX resources.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Wendy G. McKay
> Control and Dynamical Systems 107-81
> California Institute of Technology
> 1200 E California Blvd
> Pasadena, CA 91125-8100, USA
> (626) 395-4105
> (626) 796-8914 fax
> wgm@cds.caltech.edu
> ==========================================
>
>
>
>
From acurtis@ieee.org Tue Jan 13 12:00:34 2004
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:13:04 -0500
From: Alan Curtis
To: Wendy McKay
Subject: Re: [OS X TeX] pdftex and Illustrator 10
Wendy,
Thank you for your continued interest in this issue. I am able to do
what I want to do by working around the problems.
The problem can be summarized as follows...
1. There are some pdf files, created by TeX, that Illustrator can read
and display correctly but when they are modified and saved by
Illustrator, neither Adobe Acrobat Reader nor Apple Preview display
what is seen in Illustrator.
2. Conversely, there are pdf files, created by TeX, that display as
intended in Adobe Acrobat Reader and Apple Preview that display
incorrectly in Illustrator.
As Illustrator is not meant to be a tool for editing pdf files, I can
understand and accept the limitations of 2 to a degree, but 1 seems
more serious. I have two workarounds. For files of type 1, I convert
the text to outlines before saving the file. For files of type 2, I
just ignore the fact that Illustrator does not display the text
correctly---I'll read the files in Reader or Preview in the end anyway.
There seems to be many paths by which TeX can create the files I use
and I have by no means exhausted the permutations and might yet find a
combination that works without the workarounds.
I am currently using OSX 10.2 and Illustrator 10.0.3. I have ordered
Illustrator CS and am expecting to receive it next week. I don't know
if the same problems occur with CS.
And no, I am not part of the publishing group at IEEE, just an engineer
who regularly uses both TeX and Illustrator.
Alan
On Friday, January 9, 2004, at 03:02 AM, Wendy McKay wrote:
> Dear Alan,
>
> Some of the TFAA group may be going to meet with Adobe next week.
> Are you able to get the work you want done with Illustrator and
> Acrobat without font problems and to your satisfaction.
>
> You have identified some issues in your bug report but have
> these been resolved or have you just learned how to workaround them.
>
> Write soon if you would like us to take a closer look at these
> bugs.
>
>
> Best,
> /// wendy
>
> p.s. are you an author or part of the publishing group at IEEE.
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Alan Curtis wrote:
>
>> Wendy,
>>
>> I am sorry if I didn't explain the 'feature' correctly and maybe there
>> were some things I discovered after making the bug report. As I see it
>> the problems are as follows.
>>
>> The problems are to do with the interaction of TeX and Illustrator 10
>> using fonts with symbols, for example when typesetting equations,
>> which
>> I broadly assume are to do with font encoding.
>>
>> 1. I can create pdf files in TeX and have them display and print
>> correctly in Illustrator. However, those files cannot be re-imported
>> back into a TeX document. They do not print or display properly in
>> other applications that read pdf files.
>>
>> 2. I can create pdf files in TeX, open them in Illustrator, cut and
>> paste them into other Illustrator documents and export them to other
>> pdf applications and have them display and print properly in those
>> applications. (There are some important exceptions in that a few
>> characters do not make it through the process and are missing in the
>> final print.) However, these pdf files do not display or print
>> correctly in Illustrator.
>>
>> Thus the problem seems to be, as you say, that Illustrator treats pdf
>> files differently from other applications. I gather that that is not a
>> surprise and is partly a function of the purpose of Illustrator
>> compared to general pdf readers.
>>
>> My original question (lost now in traffic noise) was prompted by
>> hearing of the new font capabilities of Illustrator CS and was
>> essential does Illustrator CS behave in the same way as Illustrator 10
>> or has the problem/feature been 'fixed'.
>>
>> Thank you for helping us understand these issues.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 01:08 PM, Wendy McKay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>
>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Alan Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is definitely getting toward the status of an FAQ.
>>>>
>>>> I found two ways of importing pdf's created by paflatex into
>>>> Illustrator and having them display and print correctly in
>>>> Illustrator.
>>>> (If you want them to display correctly when you re-import the file
>>>> to
>>>> a
>>>> pdflatex file, use WARMtoPDF.
>>>>
>>>> This is how I did it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> does this mean that the bug you reported is now just an annoyance
>>> that illustrator does not know how to import PDF files created by
>>> other programs?
>>>
>>> Were you able to reimport the PDF file you created with illustrator
>>> back into illustrator as well?
>>> (Don't laugh. Framemaker used to have problems importing the files
>>> it created back in 1995.)
>>>
>>> /// wendy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1. Put a copy of the CM postscript fonts where Illustrator can find
>>>> them. I chose /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts.
>>>>
>>>> then either
>>>>
>>>> 2. use the aifonts package from CTAN
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> 2. use LaTeX->dvi->ps to create a dvi file, then create a pdf file
>>>> in
>>>> the Terminal by typing dvips -Ppdf -o outputfile.ps thedvifile
>>>> (substitute as necessary).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Opening the pdf file in Illustrator, everything looks fine when
>>>> edited
>>>> and printed.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 9, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Andre Jalobeanu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I create an equation with texshop (which uses pdflatex to
>>>>> make a
>>>>> pdf file), some characters are not displayed correctly when
>>>>> importing
>>>>> the pdf in Illustrator 10.
>>>>> I installed the pdftex-illustrator fonts in ~/Library/Applications
>>>>> Support/Adobe... as suggested. However, the greek characters don't
>>>>> show up.
>>>>> I also tried the command \pdfmovechars=1 or 2 in my latex source
>>>>> file.
>>>>> It didn't work either.
>>>>> I looked up the archives of the mailing list but I didn't find
>>>>> anything to help me solve the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> So is there any simple way to import pdf equations in Illustrator
>>>>> to
>>>>> create nice posters, or do I still have to make huge bitmaps (with
>>>>> a
>>>>> non-transparent background of course) to insert math into
>>>>> Illustrator
>>>>> documents?
>>>>>
>>>>> I also tried Latex Equation Editor, which works very fine to drop
>>>>> equations into any document (e.g. Powerpoint) but doesn't work at
>>>>> all
>>>>> with Illustrator. It seems to use latex+dvips+distiller and not
>>>>> pdflatex.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Andre.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Please see for list
>>>>> guidelines, information, and LaTeX/TeX resources.
>>>>>
>>> ==========================================