From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Tue Jan 14 22:29:29 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (K. Berry)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:29:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: E-mail -- url macros  pre-release test version
Message-ID: <199701142229.RAA13541@terminus.cs.umb.edu>

Unless someone objects, I am going to make this change for the next
version so that our \url's in the TDS document will get hyperdvi
specials ...

    % to put a hypertext link in the DVI file:
    %
    %    \def\Url@use#1\,{\special{html:<a href="#1">}#1\special{html:</a>}}


From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Tue Jan 14 22:29:29 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (K. Berry)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:29:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
Message-ID: <199701142229.RAA13547@terminus.cs.umb.edu>

Some time ago, Paul V. suggested:

    In other words, you're talking about `texmf/fonts/pk/modeless/gsftopk/adobe...'.
    How about considering instead `texmf/fonts/pk/modeless/adobe...'?  I really
    don't see a need to separate font files by who created them.  If somebody
    wants to delete all the pk files created by gsftopk, let them blow away
    the whole modeless tree; things will reappear automagically.  Or, it's
    possible to write a utility to read the pk files for specials indicating
    which program created the pk file.

Did we reach a conclusion on this?

I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...

wdyt?

After we reach consensus on this, I will make another pre-release 0.9992
for our editing pleasure. Then I think one more public release, 0.9999,
then after some time 1.0, if that sounds ok to all ...

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Tue Jan 14 23:25:50 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (David Carlisle)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:25:50 GMT
Subject: E-mail -- url macros  pre-release test version
In-Reply-To: <199701142229.RAA13541@terminus.cs.umb.edu> (kb@cs.umb.edu)
Message-ID: <199701142325.XAA29766@vummath.ma.man.ac.uk>


> Unless someone objects,

You should know by now that someone always objects:-)

If you're going to add hypertex specials for urls's you may as well
go the whole hog and \usepackage{hyperref} and make all the cross
references and table of contents within the document active as well.

David

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Wed Jan 15 15:02:14 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (David Carlisle)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:02:14 GMT
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
In-Reply-To: <199701142229.RAA13547@terminus.cs.umb.edu> (kb@cs.umb.edu)
Message-ID: <199701151502.PAA13368@vummath.ma.man.ac.uk>


> I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
> just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
> underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
> gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...

Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?
If they don't mind the output from their respective programs to be
intermingled then I don't see that anyone else should mind either.

David

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Wed Jan 15 20:45:19 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (Paul A Vojta)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:45:19 -0500
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
Message-ID: <199701152045.PAA04437@portland.math.ias.edu>

> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:02:14 GMT
> From: David Carlisle <carlisle@ma.man.ac.uk>
> To: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu
> Subject: Re: tds draft 0.9991
> 
> > I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
> > just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
> > underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
> > gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...
> 
> Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?

The author of gsftopk (me) is the one who requested this not long ago.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Thu Jan 16 06:58:03 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (Werner LEMBERG)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:58:03 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
In-Reply-To: <199701151502.PAA13368@vummath.ma.man.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970116075454.29304A-100000@unet.univie.ac.at>



On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, David Carlisle wrote:

> 
> > I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
> > just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
> > underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
> > gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...
> 
> Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?
> If they don't mind the output from their respective programs to be
> intermingled then I don't see that anyone else should mind either.

Well, for my CJK package I have written two additional converters: ttf2pk 
and hbf2gf---I think it's a nice feature to see where the pk file comes 
from. Maybe you can make the `modeless' feature you mention as an option.


    Werner

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Thu Jan 16 18:38:29 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (Paul A Vojta)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:38:29 -0500
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
Message-ID: <199701161838.NAA10156@portland.math.ias.edu>

> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:58:03 +0100 (MEZ)
> From: Werner LEMBERG <a7971428@unet.univie.ac.at>
> To: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu
> Subject: Re: tds draft 0.9991
> 
> > Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?
> > If they don't mind the output from their respective programs to be
> > intermingled then I don't see that anyone else should mind either.
> 
> Well, for my CJK package I have written two additional converters: ttf2pk 
> and hbf2gf

That's two more reasons to lump things into a "modeless" subdirectory.
Now dvi drivers have to look in texmf/fonts/pk/{ps2pk,gsftopk,ttf2pk}
as well as in texmf/fonts/pk/(the mode).  If they want gf files, there's
texmf/fonts/gf/hbf2gf, in addition.

> ---I think it's a nice feature to see where the pk file comes from.

Ps2pk puts its version number as a special (or something) in the pk file
that it creates.  Gsftopk doesn't right now, but it would be an easy thing
to add.

Is there a suggested format for these specials that the TDS says PK
files should contain?

> Maybe you can make the `modeless' feature you mention as an option.

That would be worse than just choosing one or the other.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu (temporarily at ias.edu)

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Thu Jan 16 19:36:42 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (K. Berry)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:36:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
Message-ID: <199701161936.OAA22570@terminus.cs.umb.edu>

    Is there a suggested format for these specials that the TDS says PK
    files should contain?

Indirectly: it says to see modes.mf (I think).
In any case, that is the format to use.
It's simple.

From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Thu Jan 16 19:36:43 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (K. Berry)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:36:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
Message-ID: <199701161936.OAA22576@terminus.cs.umb.edu>

    That's two more reasons to lump things into a "modeless" subdirectory.

I agree with Paul!


From twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu  Sun Jan 19 12:00:43 1997
From: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu (twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 07:00:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: modeless
Message-ID: <199701191200.HAA27332@terminus.cs.umb.edu>

If there are no further objections, I'm going to change the TDS to
specify modeless/, and change web2c to match.


From TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu  Mon Jan  6 23:42:00 1997
From: TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu (liubomir borissov)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:42:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tds installation


hi,

i am a new system administrator and i would like to install tex accirding 
to tds on my domain. i have not had previous experience with installing 
tex and even though i read briefly the description of tds, i am not clear 
on how to go about the actual installation. i would appreciate any 
assistance. in particular i am most confused how after i have put all tex 
packages according to tds, to specify the right search path (in the 
environment?) so that tex finds them when they are needed. 

thanks,
liubo

 (tel) 818-395-6657               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 (fax) 818-795-3951              /            caltech high energy physics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~             256-48,   pasadena ca 91125
 liubo@cco.caltech.edu           \












From TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu  Mon Jan  6 23:42:00 1997
From: TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu (liubomir borissov)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:42:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tds installation


hi,

i am a new system administrator and i would like to install tex accirding 
to tds on my domain. i have not had previous experience with installing 
tex and even though i read briefly the description of tds, i am not clear 
on how to go about the actual installation. i would appreciate any 
assistance. in particular i am most confused how after i have put all tex 
packages according to tds, to specify the right search path (in the 
environment?) so that tex finds them when they are needed. 

thanks,
liubo

 (tel) 818-395-6657               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 (fax) 818-795-3951              /            caltech high energy physics
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~             256-48,   pasadena ca 91125
 liubo@cco.caltech.edu           \












From TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu  Tue Jan  7 19:53:28 1997
From: TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu (K. Berry)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:53:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds installation

    packages according to tds, to specify the right search path (in the 

This varies according to your system and what TeX distribution you
are using.  The TDS is not a substitute for installation instructions :-).


From TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu  Thu Jan  9 19:59:03 1997
From: TWG-TDS@SHSU.edu (Paul A Vojta)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:59:03 -0500
Subject: tds installation

> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:42:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: liubomir borissov <liubo@cithe702.cithep.caltech.edu>
> To: twg-tds@shsu.edu
> Subject: tds installation
> 
> hi,
> 
> i am a new system administrator and i would like to install tex accirding 
> to tds on my domain. i have not had previous experience with installing 
> tex and even though i read briefly the description of tds, i am not clear 
> on how to go about the actual installation. i would appreciate any 
> assistance. in particular i am most confused how after i have put all tex 
> packages according to tds, to specify the right search path (in the 
> environment?) so that tex finds them when they are needed. 

Probably the easiest way to install tex is to install a pre-compiled TeX
distribution.  I suggest teTeX, although others are available.  This would
give you a reasonably complete tex installation, TDS-compliant.  If you want
to add to it you could, and would have the installation (so far) as an
example.

You can get teTeX (which includes precompiled binaries for many HP platforms)
from ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/comp/tex/teTeX
Parts of this (but not the HP binaries) are mirrored on ftp.cdrom.com in
the directory pub/linux/sunsite/apps/tex/teTeX.

Installing teTeX, of course, means starting over, but I still think it
would be less time than figuring out all this for yourself.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Tue Jan 14 22:29:29 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (K. Berry)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:29:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991

Some time ago, Paul V. suggested:

    In other words, you're talking about `texmf/fonts/pk/modeless/gsftopk/adobe...'.
    How about considering instead `texmf/fonts/pk/modeless/adobe...'?  I really
    don't see a need to separate font files by who created them.  If somebody
    wants to delete all the pk files created by gsftopk, let them blow away
    the whole modeless tree; things will reappear automagically.  Or, it's
    possible to write a utility to read the pk files for specials indicating
    which program created the pk file.

Did we reach a conclusion on this?

I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...

wdyt?

After we reach consensus on this, I will make another pre-release 0.9992
for our editing pleasure. Then I think one more public release, 0.9999,
then after some time 1.0, if that sounds ok to all ...


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Tue Jan 14 22:29:29 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (K. Berry)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:29:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: E-mail -- url macros  pre-release test version

Unless someone objects, I am going to make this change for the next
version so that our \url's in the TDS document will get hyperdvi
specials ...

    % to put a hypertext link in the DVI file:
    %
    %    \def\Url@use#1\,{\special{html:<a href="#1">}#1\special{html:</a>}}



From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Tue Jan 14 23:25:50 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (David Carlisle)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:25:50 GMT
Subject: E-mail -- url macros  pre-release test version
In-Reply-To: <199701142229.RAA13541@terminus.cs.umb.edu> (kb@cs.umb.edu)


> Unless someone objects,

You should know by now that someone always objects:-)

If you're going to add hypertex specials for urls's you may as well
go the whole hog and \usepackage{hyperref} and make all the cross
references and table of contents within the document active as well.

David


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Wed Jan 15 15:02:14 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (David Carlisle)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:02:14 GMT
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
In-Reply-To: <199701142229.RAA13547@terminus.cs.umb.edu> (kb@cs.umb.edu)


> I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
> just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
> underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
> gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...

Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?
If they don't mind the output from their respective programs to be
intermingled then I don't see that anyone else should mind either.

David


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Wed Jan 15 20:45:19 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (Paul A Vojta)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:45:19 -0500
Subject: tds draft 0.9991

> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:02:14 GMT
> From: David Carlisle <carlisle@ma.man.ac.uk>
> To: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu
> Subject: Re: tds draft 0.9991
> 
> > I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
> > just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
> > underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
> > gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...
> 
> Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?

The author of gsftopk (me) is the one who requested this not long ago.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Thu Jan 16 19:36:43 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (K. Berry)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:36:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991

    That's two more reasons to lump things into a "modeless" subdirectory.

I agree with Paul!



From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Thu Jan 16 19:36:42 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (K. Berry)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:36:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991

    Is there a suggested format for these specials that the TDS says PK
    files should contain?

Indirectly: it says to see modes.mf (I think).
In any case, that is the format to use.
It's simple.


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Thu Jan 16 18:38:29 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (Paul A Vojta)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:38:29 -0500
Subject: tds draft 0.9991

> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:58:03 +0100 (MEZ)
> From: Werner LEMBERG <a7971428@unet.univie.ac.at>
> To: twg-tds@tug.cs.umb.edu
> Subject: Re: tds draft 0.9991
> 
> > Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?
> > If they don't mind the output from their respective programs to be
> > intermingled then I don't see that anyone else should mind either.
> 
> Well, for my CJK package I have written two additional converters: ttf2pk 
> and hbf2gf

That's two more reasons to lump things into a "modeless" subdirectory.
Now dvi drivers have to look in texmf/fonts/pk/{ps2pk,gsftopk,ttf2pk}
as well as in texmf/fonts/pk/(the mode).  If they want gf files, there's
texmf/fonts/gf/hbf2gf, in addition.

> ---I think it's a nice feature to see where the pk file comes from.

Ps2pk puts its version number as a special (or something) in the pk file
that it creates.  Gsftopk doesn't right now, but it would be an easy thing
to add.

Is there a suggested format for these specials that the TDS says PK
files should contain?

> Maybe you can make the `modeless' feature you mention as an option.

That would be worse than just choosing one or the other.

--Paul Vojta, vojta@math.berkeley.edu (temporarily at ias.edu)


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Thu Jan 16 06:58:03 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (Werner LEMBERG)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:58:03 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: tds draft 0.9991
In-Reply-To: <199701151502.PAA13368@vummath.ma.man.ac.uk>



On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, David Carlisle wrote:

> 
> > I'm not sure what I think.  I admist it is appealing to make `modeless'
> > just be a mode, instead of having to special case the whole tree
> > underneath.  And I suspect most sites will use only one of ps2pk or
> > gsftopk, not both.  So maybe it will fly ...
> 
> Do the authors of ps2pk and gsftopk have a view on this?
> If they don't mind the output from their respective programs to be
> intermingled then I don't see that anyone else should mind either.

Well, for my CJK package I have written two additional converters: ttf2pk 
and hbf2gf---I think it's a nice feature to see where the pk file comes 
from. Maybe you can make the `modeless' feature you mention as an option.


    Werner


From twg-tds@mail.tug.org  Sun Jan 19 12:00:43 1997
From: twg-tds@mail.tug.org (twg-tds@mail.tug.org)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 07:00:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: modeless

If there are no further objections, I'm going to change the TDS to
specify modeless/, and change web2c to match.