making bibtex easy to find - TUG vs IJVSBT for example lol

[Paulo Ney de Souza]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:55 PM Mike Marchywka <marchywka at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is a link that turns up  on google scholar,
>
> https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/download/1386/1058
>
> It has a doi in it but a scraper would be hard pressed to find it. Zotero
> did
> not find it and I did not find it.


The link is to a PDF file that absolutely does NOT contain any DOI numbers.

The scrapper I use which is a half-an-hour job on BeatifulSoup finds a
candidate
to DOI in the string:

        10.21887/ijvsbt.17.1.24

by validation marks it as non-valid DOI on 2021-10-20-03:03:28 UTC.

I was wondering what do you think is a DOI in this document. Our script
thinks
there are none and a quick check confirms that.

We all know that if you start with a false-premise in math you can prove
anything
you want, so it is essential to start with something that is valid.


> It turns out however, that the url
> can be modified to find the bibtex but this is harder with a local file
> and no URL info. I got my code to work as another special
> case. However, it would be nice if there was some simplicity and
> uniformity to the process especially for works with no DOI.
>

Our scrapper knows the rules for finding DOIs in some 500 math journals. We
used to
have that many rules and they were numbered rule-1, rule-2, .... we have
now merged
them into about 50, and they are named: rule-springer, rule-elsevier,
rule-ams, ... and
it is becoming a bit more manageable.

It is very hard to even come up with a rule -- for a journal --  since
there are journals
with certain rules for years under JStor and another set of rules for
years-published
under somebody else.

The only solution here will be to associate a unique identifier (ISSN +
Year) to a set
of well-defined rules.... but we need first to define the language that
describes these rules.


What objections would there be to just including machine readable
> citation info in a PDF file? Absent that, a domain specific document
> number and look up facility? lol.
>

Try! I'll give you the database of the managers of some 2000 math journals
and you
can try asking them ...

Paulo Ney



>
>
> % mjmhandler: toobib guessijvsbt<-guessijvsbt<-handleadhochtml<-citation
> % date 2021-10-19:19:39:12 Tue Oct 19 19:39:12 EDT 2021
> % srcurl: https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/view/1386
> https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/download/1386/1058
> % citeurl: https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/view/1386
> @article{ClinicalManagementHypothyroidismGunajitPubaleem2021,
> X_TooBib = {publisher: ReWriteParse be.get(s)= be.get(dest)=},
> abstract_html_url = {
> https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/view/1386},
> author = {Gunajit Das and Pubaleem Deka and Kongkon Jyoti Dutta},
> author_institution = {Department of Veterinary Medicine, Lakhimpur College
> of Veterinary Science, Assam Agricultural University, Joyhing, Assam, India
> and Department of Veterinary Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine, College
> of Veterinary Science, Assam Agricultural University, Khanapara, Assam,
> India and Department of Veterinary Pathology, Lakhimpur College of
> Veterinary Science, Assam Agricultural University, Joyhing, Assam, India},
> date = {2021/01/25},
> day = {25},
> doi = {10.21887/ijvsbt.17.1.24},
> firstpage = {91},
> issn = {2395-1176},
> issue = {01},
> journal = {THE INDIAN JOURNAL OF VETERINARY SCIENCES AND BIOTECHNOLOGY},
> journal_abbrev = {IJ Vet Sci \& Bio},
> journal_title = {THE INDIAN JOURNAL OF VETERINARY SCIENCES AND
> BIOTECHNOLOGY},
> keywords = {.},
> language = {en},
> lastpage = {92},
> month = {01},
> pagetitle = {Clinical Management of Hypothyroidism Associated
> Dermatological Signs in a Labrador: A Case Report | THE INDIAN JOURNAL OF
> VETERINARY SCIENCES AND BIOTECHNOLOGY},
> pdf_url = {
> https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/download/1386/1058},
> title = {Clinical Management of Hypothyroidism Associated Dermatological
> Signs in a Labrador: A Case Report},
> volume = {17},
> year = {2021},
> url={https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/download/1386/1058},
> srcurl={
> https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/download/1386/1058},
> xsrcurl={https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/view/1386},
> citeurl={https://www.ijvsbt.org/index.php/journal/article/view/1386}
>
> }
>
>
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