[tex-live] belleek better

Karl Berry karl at freefriends.org
Mon Jan 11 23:14:04 CET 2010

Hi Zdenek and all -- got back to this in my old mail.

I suppose the belleek fonts must correspond to the old MathTime fonts
that were in Y&Y and (the metrics) in teTeX.  I can't imagine that
Thomas E changed any metrics.

If anyone is interested in putting together a good belleek package, that
would be great.  It's not something I can take on.


Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:51:00 +0200
From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
To: Frank Küster <frank at kuesterei.ch>
Cc: tex-live at tug.org
Subject: Re: [tex-live] Misworded comment in 'mathtime' mapfile

2009/7/15 Frank K‚üster <frank at kuesterei.ch>:
> Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/7/15 Uwe Siart <uwe.siart at tum.de>:
>>> karl at freefriends.org (Karl Berry) writes:
>>>> Apparently the problem is that there is no belleek package on CTAN.
>>>> And no TFM's for the fonts are available. Would you like to put
>>>> together a usable package?
>>> I can try to do so. But actually I have no expert knowledge in making
>>> font packages. I have a rough idea about the purpose of all the files in
>>> a font package but I'm unsure if I would do it right if I attended to
>>> them myself. I would hail anyone here with better skills on this who is
>>> willing to do it.
>> I think I have belleek in my old OS/2 computer in the OS/2 port of
>> teTeX but I do not know the license of the files. Moreover I have to
>> wait till it gets a bit colder in Prague because this computer suffers
>> from overheating and does not work during hot summer.
> There's an old discussion about how a belleek package should be made in
> the end of http://bugs.debian.org/425460. Should be in the texlive
> archives, too. Not that it will help much unless someone really wants to
> dig into details, there's no easy receipe there.
I found a backup copy of my OS/2 teTeX in one of my Linux machines.
The README contains after some information marked as obsolete this
message that seems important:

-- original README:
These are the Belleek fonts described in my paper at TUG 98, the 1998 annual
meeting of the TeX Users Group.  They are drop-in replacements for the
proprietary fonts required by the LaTeX mathtime style, where the "dropping
in" process is simply to change the .fd files calling for specific fonts to
reflect the font names starting with "bl".

Notwithstanding any copyright notices in the files, these fonts have been
contributed to the public domain in their Type 1 (.pfb) and TrueType (.ttf)


Richard Kinch
August 18, 1998

I have the map file and even the catalogue entry:

[wagner at hroch486 share]$ find -name '*belleek*'

I have some tfm files in the "yandy" directory:

[wagner at hroch486 yandy]$ ll *
total 28
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1248 May 23  1993 mh1.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner  304 Jan 31  2002 mh2scr.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1268 May 23  1993 mh2.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1284 May 23  1993 mh3.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1264 May 23  1993 mh4.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1240 May 23  1993 mh5.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1204 May 23  1993 mh6.tfm

total 100
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1236 Aug 26  1996 mtexb.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1224 Dec 26  1996 mtexh.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner  844 Aug 21  1996 mtgub.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner  868 Aug 21  1996 mtgu.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1176 Mar 26  1997 mtlsb.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1148 Mar 26  1997 mtls.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 6468 Aug 26  1996 mtmib.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 6468 Aug 26  1996 mtmih.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1184 Aug 21  1996 mtmsb.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1164 Aug 21  1996 mtms.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 5096 Aug 26  1996 mtmub.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 5224 Dec 26  1996 mtmuh.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 4316 Apr  9  2002 mtmu.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1116 Dec 26  1996 mtsyb.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1128 Dec 26  1996 mtsyh.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1088 Dec 26  1996 mtsyn.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1296 Aug  6  1996 rmtmib.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1304 Aug  6  1996 rmtmih.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1228 Aug  6  1996 rmtmub.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1232 Aug  6  1996 rmtmuh.tfm

total 20
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1204 May 26  1999 mtex.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 6428 Jun 24  1993 mtmi.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1032 May  9  1993 mtsy.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 1076 May  9  1993 rmtmi.tfm

total 32
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 16076 Sep 27  1998 tibsc.tfm
-rw-r--r-- 1 wagner wagner 15948 Sep 27  1998 tirsc.tfm

I remember I used these fonts in some documents so that I can trace
what exactly is needed and then pack the files. I am not able to
verify the metric files are unchanged, maybe Thomas Esser may remember
whether the metric files included in teTEX were unmodified. Maybe I
know someone who bought the mathtimes fonts many years ago. If I
manage to get the original metric files from him, I can compare them.

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