[tex-live] Linux Libertine and TeX Live 2008

Robin Fairbairns Robin.Fairbairns at cl.cam.ac.uk
Mon Jul 13 12:03:28 CEST 2009

Wolfgang Keller <feliphil at gmx.net> wrote:

> Again: I am using Windows. So there is no "terminal window".

you mean, you can't be bothered to open a terminal window to run a .bat
file; sure, windows provides broken facilities for running .bat files,
just by clicking on them, but no-one who actually *knows* windows does
that -- they open a terminal window and run from that.

> > > The installer apparently misses to put a _lot_ of files into the destination folder. 
> > 
> > Hard to diagnose without a crystal ball.
> Would have been easy to test before releasing.

the whole point of this exercise is (surely) to detect what the problem
is, so that *future* pre-release tests don't make the same mistake.

i have rarely released software that *didn't* have a bug in it, that my
pre-release test missed.

> Get a USB stick, try to install TeXLive on it, see for yourself.
> > > And if I copy them to the installation folder from the DVD by hand, tl-portable.bat still complains that it simply can't find some files, whatever they are.
> > 
> > tl_portable???? What are you talking about?
> *sigh*
> tl-portable.bat
> The .bat file which is required to use TeXLive on Windows from a portable location.

i find that confusing, too.  there are references to the file, but i
don't see it on the tl 2008 repository.  (i maintain the master mirror,
so it's not because i'm looking at an out-of-date mirror.)

can you suggest where i should be looking?

(the install-tl man page says


  The TeX Live root directory contains a shell script tl-portable.sh and
  a DOS batch file tl-portable.bat which start up a new shell and
  command prompt in which TeX Live can be run with minimal impact on the
  host system. These files start up install-tl with the -portable option
  for some minimal preparation. Don't use this option directly; it makes
  very specific assumptions about its environment.

which seems to me to indicate that any such script has since been
deleted :-( )

> > > Simply copying over the whole DVD contents at least produces a LaTeX "installation" that _somewhat_ works, so I consider the installer as, sorry, plain useless §$%&#?!.
> > 
> > Sorry for you, but if you don't cooperate 
> "cooperate" - You sound like an employee of the german "labour agency".

sigh.  determined to lose the argument, aren't you?

> > you will have the same
> > experience next year. 
> > 
> > Witout any reasonable arguments, terminal output, log files that is just
> > voodoo.
> Well, it seems like "voodoo" to _me_ that you release "installers" that don't produce anything that works. And that apparently you don't seem to even read what I wrote about my usage scenario and what I have done.
> > > Anyway, as a long-time Mac user, an application that (seems to) require
> > > any kind of "installer" in order to be used is seriously flawed imho.
> > 
> > Bullshit. Sorry.
> 25 years of perfectly useable zero-install application software?
> Bullshit?

irrelevant bullshit.  i'm prepared to believe that macs are better at
what they do than widnoze systems, but aiui you're attempting to install
on a widnoze machine.

> Make your so-called "installers" actually _work_ and then come back again.

how on earth are the team supposed to do so when someone who's
complaining won't co-operate?

*obviously* the issue doesn't arise in the team's tests, so how are they
supposed to mend the installer for your environment without some
cooperation from you?

> > If you provide more serious information we can help you,
> If your .bat scripts and .exe files did allow to actually read their output, I could provide the information...

of course they allow that ... if they're run by someone who knows what
they're doing on windows.


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