[tex-k] Fw: Aw: Re: margin

[Paul A. VOJTA]

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\bye

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 8:25 PM <Laurence.Finston at gmx.net> wrote:

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> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 04. September 2022 um 05:24 Uhr
> *Von:* Laurence.Finston at gmx.net
> *An:* minoo_erhoo at protonmail.com
> *Betreff:* Aw: Re: [tex-k] margin
> That's on the first page.  I believe that that is the space from the top
> of the letter to the top of the box containing the letter.  The same
> applies to the space between the left edge of the paper and the left edge
> of the serif at the bottom left of the letter.
>
> You can see the box in Computers and Typesetting, Vol. E, Computer Modern
> Typefaces, by Knuth.  You can also see it if you run METAFONT on the
> sources in proof mode.  I'll make an example when I get a chance.   You can
> also use rules to show the boxes in TeX, but it's slightly inconvenient.
>
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 04. September 2022 um 04:38 Uhr
> *Von:* "Minoo Erhoo" <minoo_erhoo at protonmail.com>
> *An:* Laurence.Finston at gmx.net
> *Betreff:* Re: Aw: [tex-k] margin
> *Hi Laurence,*
>
> *i saw your final output file.*
> *but as you see, there is some space.*
>
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> [image: image.png]
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Sunday, September 4th, 2022 at 12:37 AM, <Laurence.Finston at gmx.net>
> wrote:
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> I've attached the PDF for anyone who doesn't want to run the example.
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> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 03. September 2022 um 22:05 Uhr
> *Von:* Laurence.Finston at gmx.net
> *An:* minoo_erhoo at protonmail.com
> *Cc:* "tex-k at tug.org" <tex-k at tug.org>
> *Betreff:* Aw: [tex-k] margin
> > I can't say for sure what the problem is without looking at the log file
> for your example
>
> I would have to use the appropriate form of tracing, of course.  I
> actually don't think there would be any space at the beginning of the page,
> but I would check to be sure.
>
> The following code works, but with MetaPost, you do get the whole box, so
> it doesn't really help.  On the second page of the TeX file, I show how to
> shift the letters using infinite glue.  With this technique, you can put
> anything you want anywhere on the page.  Here, I use a \vbox of \vsize and
> an \hbox of \hsize, but more often I use boxes of zero height or width,
> respectively, i.e., \vbox to 0pt and \hbox to 0pt, respectively.  \vss and
> \hss, respectively, must be used in these boxes, as in the example below.
> You don't need an EPS file,
> you can just put letters, words, paragraphs, math mode material, etc.,
> into the box, e.g., \hbox to 0pt{\hskip-1cm A\hss}.
>
> %% ttemp.mp
> prologues := 3;
> outputtemplate := "%j%3c.eps";
> beginfig(1);
> label(btex A etex, origin);
> endfig;
>
> beginfig(2);
> label(btex a etex, origin);
> endfig;
> end;
>
>
>
> %% ttemp.tex
> \special{papersize=297mm, 210mm} %% DIN A4
> \hsize=297mm
> \vsize=210mm
> \advance\voffset by -1in
> \advance\hoffset by -1in
> \input epsf
> \baselineskip=0pt
> \parindent=0pt
> \parskip=0pt
> \def\epsfsize#1#2{#2}
> \leftline{\epsffile{ttemp001.eps}\epsffile{ttemp002.eps}}
> \vfil\eject
> \vbox to \vsize{\vskip-.375pt
> \hbox to
> \hsize{\hskip-.5pt\epsffile{ttemp001.eps}\epsffile{ttemp002.eps}\hss}\vss}
> \bye
>
> Run like this: mpost ttemp && tex ttemp && dvipdfmx ttemp.dvi
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 03. September 2022 um 21:47 Uhr
> *Von:* Laurence.Finston at gmx.net
> *An:* minoo_erhoo at protonmail.com
> *Betreff:* Aw: [tex-k] margin
> I can't say for sure what the problem is without looking at the log file
> for your example, but this is an example that works (see below).
> The 10 x 10pt rule shows that it works.  The boxes containing the `a' and
> the `A' are taller than the letters themselves.  I'd have to check to be
> sure
> there's no other space in your example.
>
> If you want a letter to be right at the edge of the paper, you can use
> MetaPost to achieve this effect.  If I have a moment, I can make an example.
> At the exact edge wouldn't be useful for printing, but it would work in a
> dvi, ps or pdf viewer.
>
> \special{papersize=210mm, 297mm} %% DIN A4 Portrait
> \hsize=210mm
> \vsize=297mm
> \advance\voffset by -1in
> \advance\hoffset by -1in
> \baselineskip=0pt
> \parindent=0pt
> \parskip=0pt
> \vrule height 10pt width 10pt A a
> \bye
>
> Laurence
>
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 03. September 2022 um 20:50 Uhr
> *Von:* "Minoo Erhoo" <minoo_erhoo at protonmail.com>
> *An:* "tex-k at tug.org" <tex-k at tug.org>
> *Betreff:* [tex-k] margin
> *Hi,*
> *i wrote this code to get a page without margins.*
>
>
> *\hoffset-1in*
> *\voffset-1in*
>
> *\parindent0pt*
>
> *a*
>
> *\bye*
>
> *but the first line (a) has vertical space before itself. in TeXBook told
> 1inch is the margin space.*
>
> *may a bug?*
>
>
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