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**To**:*Frank Mittelbach <Frank.Mittelbach@Uni-Mainz.DE>***Subject**:**Math Time / Lucida / MathPi implementation of math encoding****From**:*Thierry Bouche <Thierry.Bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr>***Date**: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:08:32 +0200 (MET DST)**Cc**:*Ulrik Vieth <vieth@thphy.uni-duesseldorf.de>, cagut@ens.fr*

Concernant « Math Time / Lucida / MathPi implementation of math encoding », Frank Mittelbach écrit : > Ulrik Vieth writes: > > > > > did someone try to implement these encodings with Mathematical Pi or > > > Lucida (the 2 rather complete math glyph conatiners i know)? > > > > Sorry, but I'm afraid the answer is plain and simply, because none > > of the current activist have access to those, so we're stuck with > > whatever is freely avaiably to everyone who has a PostScript printer, > > consisting of > > > > [...] > > > As for MathTime, MathPi, or Lucida, you're welcome to try it out > > yourself, if you're in a lucky position to have access to those. > > a while back GUTenberg was looking for proposals to support worthwhile > projects and I suggested to finish off the work that Justin (also > supported by GUTenberg). I think in some sense that triggered the > current effort although so far there is no financial support by > GUTenberg for Matthias or Ulrik, or is there? > i do have the 3 sets, the 2 sold by y&y have been given to me by Berthold in order to prepare the translation of my `mathfonts hacked' paper in TUGboat. The other one is a clone but it's enough for testing purposes, especially as long as you use the genuine AFMs. i believe that MathTime is more restrictive than MathPi and not very well designed, that's why i omitted it. the next problem is that you can't publish font charts with y&y fonts, as it would be the same as giving them away. You could however publish bitmapped PS (i do it for my MinionMM papers for instance). > a small kind of support could be to buy both activists those fonts which > isn't a very large investment and would certainly be helpful! But i > would still argue for further financial support for their work, for > example by sponsoring participation at EuroTeX meeting? > > If this is not possible I think we could sponsor at least one set of > those fonts from the LaTeX3 project as i would definitely like to see > a suitable range of implementations for the encodings. Perhaps > Berthold Horn who sells all three font sets would contribute a set as > well? > > In my opinion this is one of the major strength of the whole work by > Justin and now Matthias and Ulrik that we do get for the first time a > set of encodings and their implementation for several math fonts where > we can in fact switch between a number of math font families without > *any* change in the document (other than loading a package in the > preamble so really plug an' play without nasty surprises). > yes. of course. we're all waiting nervously for this. > The free font sets eg > > - Computer Modern > (cmr/cmmi/cmsy/cmex/msam/msbm + eufm + bbold + MF hackery) > > - Concrete versions of the above > (ccr/xccmi/xccsy/xccex/xccam/xccbm + eufm + bbold + MF hackery) > > - AMS Euler (eurm/eusm/euex + reamining symbols from CM/AMS) > > - Times Roman/Adobe Symbol/Zapf Chancery (still incomplete) > there's no chance to complete it ever without any significative complements (MathPi indeed) > are very important for the majority but getting the three really good > commercial math fonts in as well would be the dot on the i. > > I'm really looking forward to be able to select my text typeface with > ease and add a matching math font with a snap of my fingers > > So i do hope that GUTenberg can sponsor this > > frank > There is a vague project by GUT to sponsor the creation of a complete set of type 1 fonts using state of the art encodings (and filling in the holes) [T1,TS1,Mxx] with a new design (or some revival, but not CM). It would be very nice to achieve this by synthetising all energies. The main problem remaining is: who has designing capabilities [at an affordable price!] especially for the maths glyphs. Thierry Bouche. ----- thierry.bouche@ujf-grenoble.fr (speaking in my own name, not for GUT which hasn't discussed much about this lately)

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