From garzohugo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 12:02:44 2012
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:02:44 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
Message-ID: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>

The academic publisher Brill has developed a new LCG font with lots of
glyphs that will be of interest to those who need lots of diacritics and
various other signs. Brill boasts that it can be used for any
orthography in Latin (including IPA), Cyrillic or Greek. The font was
designed by John Hudson of Tiro Typeworks, and is distributed gratis.
http://www.brill.nl/news/brill-typeface

Gareth.


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 12:14:46 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:14:46 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
Message-ID: <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/3 Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com>:
> The academic publisher Brill has developed a new LCG font with lots of
> glyphs that will be of interest to those who need lots of diacritics and
> various other signs. Brill boasts that it can be used for any
> orthography in Latin (including IPA), Cyrillic or Greek. The font was
> designed by John Hudson of Tiro Typeworks, and is distributed gratis.
> http://www.brill.nl/news/brill-typeface
>
Unfortunatelly it is not free, it cannot be redistributed and can only
be used for noncommercial works, thus I cannot use it to typeset a
book.

> Gareth.
>
>
>
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http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From garzohugo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 12:53:11 2012
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:53:11 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1328269991.1969.14.camel@hertf-gareth>

On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 12:14 +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 2012/2/3 Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com>:
> > ... and is distributed gratis.
> > http://www.brill.nl/news/brill-typeface
> >
> Unfortunatelly it is not free, it cannot be redistributed and can only
> be used for noncommercial works, thus I cannot use it to typeset a
> book.

That's why I used the word 'gratis' rather than 'free', implying free of
cost but under a restrictive licence. I still think the font is
interesting and useful: I produce a lot of noncommercial typesetting.

Gareth.


From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Fri Feb  3 12:58:08 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:58:08 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
Message-ID: <4F2BCBD0.4000306@Rhul.Ac.Uk>

Trying to help Nat?rcia Fernandes with her query regarding
Portuguese hyphenation on TeXhax today, I had occasion
to try the following :


	C:\>xetex
	This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
	 restricted \write18 enabled.
	**\showhyphens {nat?rcia}
	
	! End of file on the terminal... why?


If I carry this out in Win/XP's normal catcode r?gime, all proceeds
normally but the output is corrupt at the point of the accented
character; if I try the same thing with Lucida Console selected
as my CMD font and the code page changed to 65001 (Win/XP's number
for UTF-8) so that I can see the accented "e" in Nat?rcia's name
correctly, I get instead the above "end of file" message.

Can anyone hazard a guess as to why ?

Philip Taylor

From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Fri Feb  3 12:26:51 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:26:51 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



Zdenek Wagner wrote:

> Unfortunatelly it is not free, it cannot be redistributed and can only
> be used for noncommercial works, thus I cannot use it to typeset a
> book.

I am not sure that you are correct there, Zden?k.  The fonts are most
certainly free, in the traditional sense of the word, and use in
conjunction with commercial works is permitted provided that permission
is first sought from the publishers, as stated below :

> This Brill Font License allows the licensed fonts to be used by individuals or by institutional customers for non-commercial purposes without charge. Commercial use of any kind, including the embedding of the fonts or part(s) of them in any Commercial Product not published by BRILL is prohibited unless prior written permission has been secured from BRILL; write to brill-typeface-commercial-license at brill.nl should you want to acquire such a permission. None of these fonts may be redistributed to others, nor may they be sold, without prior written consent from BRILL.

It will certain be informative to follow this link and to find out
whether Brill would propose to charge a licence fee for the usage
you have in mind.

Philip Taylor

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 13:16:25 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:16:25 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <1328269991.1969.14.camel@hertf-gareth>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1328269991.1969.14.camel@hertf-gareth>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyaU3WoqruYz27XMLA4d2eR-v3dTwh3LAxi7BQewxvjAxg@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/3 Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com>:
> On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 12:14 +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> 2012/2/3 Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com>:
>> > ... and is distributed gratis.
>> > http://www.brill.nl/news/brill-typeface
>> >
>> Unfortunatelly it is not free, it cannot be redistributed and can only
>> be used for noncommercial works, thus I cannot use it to typeset a
>> book.
>
> That's why I used the word 'gratis' rather than 'free', implying free of
> cost but under a restrictive licence. I still think the font is
> interesting and useful: I produce a lot of noncommercial typesetting.
>
This restriction is a problem for me. I typeset both commercial and
noncommercial documents. I cannot say how often I will use a
particular font, thus I look at the price and if it is reasonable for
me, I buy it (and I have not used so far a lot of commercial fonts I
bouhgt 6 years ago). I do not want to audit my documents to see
whether the commercial ones contain only the licensed sources. I have
therefore only two types of fonts:

1. Free fonts that can be used without restriction

2. Commercial fonts that I bought

I often use commercial fonts even in noncommercial documents (but in
such a case I am not allowed to give the TeX sources).

> Gareth.
>
>
>
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http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/
http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 13:20:40 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:20:40 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <4F2BCBD0.4000306@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <4F2BCBD0.4000306@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyaOya1OousHURrGKETBXqvpA0AEXOf0Sgxs2x__mOQmRA@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/3 Philip TAYLOR <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk>:
> Trying to help Nat?rcia Fernandes with her query regarding
> Portuguese hyphenation on TeXhax today, I had occasion
> to try the following :
>
>
> ? ? ? ?C:\>xetex
> ? ? ? ?This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
> ? ? ? ? restricted \write18 enabled.
> ? ? ? ?**\showhyphens {nat?rcia}
>
> ? ? ? ?! End of file on the terminal... why?
>
Strange. This is from TL 2011 in Linux x86_64:

This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
**\showhyphens {nat?rcia}
entering extended mode
Missing character: There is no ? in font cmr10!

Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) detected at line 0
[] \tenrm na-tr-cia

\hbox(6.67859+0.0)x16383.99998, glue set 9798.10976 []


*


>
> If I carry this out in Win/XP's normal catcode r?gime, all proceeds
> normally but the output is corrupt at the point of the accented
> character; if I try the same thing with Lucida Console selected
> as my CMD font and the code page changed to 65001 (Win/XP's number
> for UTF-8) so that I can see the accented "e" in Nat?rcia's name
> correctly, I get instead the above "end of file" message.
>
> Can anyone hazard a guess as to why ?
>
> Philip Taylor
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
> ?http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex



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http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Fri Feb  3 13:33:13 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:33:13 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <4F2BCBD0.4000306@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <4F2BCBD0.4000306@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <C54C23BC-212D-4054-9D16-82261E22565D@Web.DE>


Am 3.2.2012 um 12:58 schrieb Philip TAYLOR:

> Can anyone hazard a guess as to why ?

Did you look into the LOG file?

Did you load polyglossia and fontspec?

Is your TeX distribution OK? XeTeX identifies itself as of TL '10...

--
Greetings

  Pete

The light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off due to budget cuts.


From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Fri Feb  3 13:39:15 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:39:15 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <C54C23BC-212D-4054-9D16-82261E22565D@Web.DE>
References: <4F2BCBD0.4000306@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
 <C54C23BC-212D-4054-9D16-82261E22565D@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <4F2BD573.5080108@Rhul.Ac.Uk>

Peter Dyballa wrote:
 > Am 3.2.2012 um 12:58 schrieb Philip TAYLOR:
 >
 >> Can anyone hazard a guess as to why ?
 > Did you look into the LOG file?

Yes, just shows end of file.
 >
 > Did you load polyglossia and fontspec?

No : this is pure XeTeX, not XeLaTeX or any other extension
other than those provided by e-TeX itself (which is necessary
for \uselanguage, etc).
 >
 > Is your TeX distribution OK? XeTeX identifies itself as of TL '10...

TeX Live 2010 by choice.  I will migrate to TeX Live 2011 when it is
frozen to allow work to commence on TeX Live 2012.

Philip Taylor

From wujastyk at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 15:46:59 2012
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:46:59 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How to Convert LaTeX to Html
In-Reply-To: <CAORQZug4z4CB_HW5Ns8WiR=fXiC0m3HOOm83mSpPehM=vTWGsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAORQZug4z4CB_HW5Ns8WiR=fXiC0m3HOOm83mSpPehM=vTWGsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-Cf6ML6rWj+LNW6BKw4UKip0P1C7qsLO_+dRTsOO4_U94A@mail.gmail.com>

There's a LaTeX-to-HTML translator built in to
TeXStudio<http://texstudio.sourceforge.net/>.
I've never used it in anger, so I can't say much about it.

D




On 31 January 2012 18:47, A u <akupadhyayula at gmail.com> wrote:

> I uploaded the working files with pdf output file to google docs here is
> the link docs.google.com<https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2ORRM7gQAXeZWIwMGY2YTMtYTA2OS00MWVlLWIxNDktNzNkMzZmODU0MTVk>
>
> I am trying to convert this file to html. I read few posts on the internet
> but did not get any workable solution. one time somehow I manage to get
> html output but the output looked like source tex file rather than close to
> output pdf.
> I would really appreciate your help
>
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From shivably04sdst at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 12:29:58 2012
From: shivably04sdst at gmail.com (Shiva Shankar)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:59:58 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] twocolumn option and longtables
Message-ID: <CAKpUmAkVu3k3kk+p8w6hbj2ANXEu=rbNwZYoSdwPv=h5yJbcZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

  In TeX/LaTeX/XeTeX using article/book/report class with twocolumn option
  how to produce a long tables spanning multiple pages
  and full textwidth? Is it possible? If a table is small then it should be
placed in
 the same column otherwise either at the top or the bottom table has to be
placed
in a single column mode ( occupying whole width / textwidth). Is it
possible to achieve?


Regards
Shivashankar

-- 
Regards
Shivashankar
Sriranga Digital Software Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,
Srirangapatna
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 12:51:43 2012
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 12:51:43 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] twocolumn option and longtables
In-Reply-To: <CAKpUmAkVu3k3kk+p8w6hbj2ANXEu=rbNwZYoSdwPv=h5yJbcZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKpUmAkVu3k3kk+p8w6hbj2ANXEu=rbNwZYoSdwPv=h5yJbcZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CdFWowonZq_s3UwTRhmcwmtt3P73xD8ZQH6z2vVvp_cuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does *The LaTeX Companion* not cover this already?  See

   - http://www.latex-project.org/guides/books.html

Dominik



On 4 February 2012 12:29, Shiva Shankar <shivably04sdst at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   In TeX/LaTeX/XeTeX using article/book/report class with twocolumn option
>   how to produce a long tables spanning multiple pages
>   and full textwidth? Is it possible? If a table is small then it should
> be placed in
>  the same column otherwise either at the top or the bottom table has to be
> placed
> in a single column mode ( occupying whole width / textwidth). Is it
> possible to achieve?
>
>
> Regards
> Shivashankar
>
> --
> Regards
> Shivashankar
> Sriranga Digital Software Technologies Pvt. Ltd.,
> Srirangapatna
>
>
>
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From waterloo2005 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  5 16:17:36 2012
From: waterloo2005 at gmail.com (waterloo)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 23:17:36 +0800
Subject: [XeTeX] I can not use preview-latex function of auctex for xelatex .
Message-ID: <CAM2_EXprRn8O3t7c+uqicYDh0trMpPxVQUr7ExBpfwi0f-meEA@mail.gmail.com>

How about you ?

Thanks
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Feb  5 22:21:19 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 22:21:19 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] I can not use preview-latex function of auctex for
	xelatex .
In-Reply-To: <CAM2_EXprRn8O3t7c+uqicYDh0trMpPxVQUr7ExBpfwi0f-meEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2_EXprRn8O3t7c+uqicYDh0trMpPxVQUr7ExBpfwi0f-meEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F09DAB3D-74D4-4C40-A88B-2CEC108349CF@Web.DE>


Am 5.2.2012 um 16:17 schrieb waterloo:

> How about you ?

Me? I have no problems. I am using texdoc with the --just-view option.

--
Greetings

             ~  O
  Pete       ~~_\\_/%
             ~  O  o


From pander at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Feb  6 08:22:41 2012
From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:22:41 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>

On 02/03/2012 12:26 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> 
> 
> Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunatelly it is not free, it cannot be redistributed and can only
>> be used for noncommercial works, thus I cannot use it to typeset a
>> book.
> 
> I am not sure that you are correct there, Zden?k.  The fonts are most
> certainly free, in the traditional sense of the word, and use in
> conjunction with commercial works is permitted provided that permission
> is first sought from the publishers, as stated below :
> 
>> This Brill Font License allows the licensed fonts to be used by
>> individuals or by institutional customers for non-commercial purposes
>> without charge. Commercial use of any kind, including the embedding of
>> the fonts or part(s) of them in any Commercial Product not published
>> by BRILL is prohibited unless prior written permission has been
>> secured from BRILL; write to
>> brill-typeface-commercial-license at brill.nl should you want to acquire
>> such a permission. None of these fonts may be redistributed to others,
>> nor may they be sold, without prior written consent from BRILL.

The email address does not exist.

> It will certain be informative to follow this link and to find out
> whether Brill would propose to charge a licence fee for the usage
> you have in mind.
> 
> Philip Taylor
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
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From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Mon Feb  6 11:22:13 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:22:13 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk> <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <4F2FA9D5.4070601@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



Pander wrote:
  
> The email address does not exist.

There would appear to be a not-inconsiderable
element of verisimilitude in that assertion.

Philip Taylor

From paul.a.norman at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 11:53:16 2012
From: paul.a.norman at gmail.com (Paul A Norman)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 23:53:16 +1300
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
 <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <CAG2d78AMQgAW3tqA_8x8BQCg4jVmLJjtJe-nC=4ACf+HHpfCNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pander, this may help  http://www.brill.nl/contact

Paul

On 6 February 2012 20:22, Pander <pander at users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On 02/03/2012 12:26 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> >
> >
> > Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> >
> >> Unfortunatelly it is not free, it cannot be redistributed and can only
> >> be used for noncommercial works, thus I cannot use it to typeset a
> >> book.
> >
> > I am not sure that you are correct there, Zden?k.  The fonts are most
> > certainly free, in the traditional sense of the word, and use in
> > conjunction with commercial works is permitted provided that permission
> > is first sought from the publishers, as stated below :
> >
> >> This Brill Font License allows the licensed fonts to be used by
> >> individuals or by institutional customers for non-commercial purposes
> >> without charge. Commercial use of any kind, including the embedding of
> >> the fonts or part(s) of them in any Commercial Product not published
> >> by BRILL is prohibited unless prior written permission has been
> >> secured from BRILL; write to
> >> brill-typeface-commercial-license at brill.nl should you want to acquire
> >> such a permission. None of these fonts may be redistributed to others,
> >> nor may they be sold, without prior written consent from BRILL.
>
> The email address does not exist.
>
> > It will certain be informative to follow this link and to find out
> > whether Brill would propose to charge a licence fee for the usage
> > you have in mind.
> >
> > Philip Taylor
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
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> >  http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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From pander at users.sourceforge.net  Mon Feb  6 11:55:48 2012
From: pander at users.sourceforge.net (Pander)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:55:48 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <4F2FA9D5.4070601@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk> <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>
 <4F2FA9D5.4070601@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <4F2FB1B4.7020107@users.sourceforge.net>

On 02/06/2012 11:22 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> 
> 
> Pander wrote:
>  
>> The email address does not exist.
> 
> There would appear to be a not-inconsiderable
> element of verisimilitude in that assertion.
> 
> Philip Taylor

:D

For those who are interested, I have submitted my request to cs at brill.nl
instead.

From waterloo2005 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 18:13:51 2012
From: waterloo2005 at gmail.com (waterloo)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:13:51 +0800
Subject: [XeTeX] I can not use preview-latex function of auctex for
	xelatex .
Message-ID: <CAM2_EXr5EbT3rXdESiQRno5f2GnwWUtcBoFqn=sVmtSWBmveuA@mail.gmail.com>

I mean I can not preview math environment in xelatex .
Thanks
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Mon Feb  6 18:52:00 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:52:00 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] I can not use preview-latex function of auctex for
	xelatex .
In-Reply-To: <CAM2_EXr5EbT3rXdESiQRno5f2GnwWUtcBoFqn=sVmtSWBmveuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2_EXr5EbT3rXdESiQRno5f2GnwWUtcBoFqn=sVmtSWBmveuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <873F2C3A-BA04-463B-8F70-AF78695B072E@Web.DE>


Am 6.2.2012 um 18:13 schrieb waterloo:

> I mean I can not preview math environment in xelatex .

That's correct behaviour! Xelatex cannot not produce DVI (which is then converted to PNG to be inserted as an overlay). The documentation should mention that with Xe(La)TeX and Lua(La)TeX mathematical expressions cannot be converted to overlay graphics.

You should find a preamble that supports both the pdfTeX and the XeTeX engines. So you can develop mathematical expression first interactively with pdfTeX and then switch to XeTeX.

--
Greetings

  Pete

And always remember the last words of my grandfather, who said: ?A truck!?
				? Emo Phillips



From maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu  Mon Feb  6 21:10:58 2012
From: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu (maxwell)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:10:58 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Missing left brace has been substituted
Message-ID: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>

I'm getting a msg "Missing left brace has been substituted" in what Adobe
Acrobat calls "bookmarks" (the section headings that you can optionally
show on the left-hand side of a document in Adobe Reader and other PDF
readers).  It does not appear in the Table of Contents.

The xelatex input looks like this:
----------------
\subsection{Auxiliary \emph{to be} and verbalizers
 \pusArabicScript{????} /ked??l/ and
 \pusArabicScript{???} /kaw??l/}
\label{sxn_aux}\hyperlabel{sxn_aux}%
----------------

The part that triggers the error msg is apparently the
\pusArabicScript{????}.  This is a macro we've defined as
----------------
\newfontfamily\pashtofont[Script=Arabic,Scale=1.7]{Scheherazade}
\newcommand{\pusArabicScript}[1]{{\RL{\pashtofont #1}}}
----------------

The error msg itself is contained in the file bidi.dtx, as follows:
----------------
\let\n at xt=\
\def\LRE{\protect\pLRE}%
\def\pLRE{\protect\afterassignment\moreLRE \let\n at xt= }
\def\RLE{\protect\pRLE}
\def\pRLE{\protect\afterassignment\moreRLE \let\n at xt= }
\def\bracetext{\ifcat\n at xt{\else\ifcat\n at xt}\fi
  \errmessage{Missing left brace has been substituted}\fi \bgroup}
----------------

I don't know enough about TeX to know what this is doing (or is supposed
to be doing), or even if I've copied enough of the bidi.dtx file to make
any sense.

I've googled the error msg, but didn't come up with anything useful.  I
can create a minimal file if need be, but before I do that I was hoping
someone else had run into this (and come up with a work-around).  

   Mike Maxwell

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Mon Feb  6 21:23:07 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 21:23:07 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Missing left brace has been substituted
In-Reply-To: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/6 maxwell <maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu>:
> I'm getting a msg "Missing left brace has been substituted" in what Adobe
> Acrobat calls "bookmarks" (the section headings that you can optionally
> show on the left-hand side of a document in Adobe Reader and other PDF
> readers). ?It does not appear in the Table of Contents.
>
> The xelatex input looks like this:
> ----------------
> \subsection{Auxiliary \emph{to be} and verbalizers
> ?\pusArabicScript{????} /ked??l/ and
> ?\pusArabicScript{???} /kaw??l/}
> \label{sxn_aux}\hyperlabel{sxn_aux}%
> ----------------
>
Such macros certainly are not alowed in the PDF bookmarks and they are
expanded at the time where just a part of the expansion is visible by
the engine. Arabic can probably appear in the bookmarks but you cannot
select a font, a system font will always be used and you cannot be
sure that all potential users have an appropriate font installed. The
hyperref package provides the \textorpdfstring macro with two
parameters, the first one will be printed, the second one will be
displayed in the bookmarks. I used this macro in pdftex only but
hopefully it works in xetex too. You should provide an alternative
text for bookmarks without the use of macros in it.

> The part that triggers the error msg is apparently the
> \pusArabicScript{????}. ?This is a macro we've defined as
> ----------------
> \newfontfamily\pashtofont[Script=Arabic,Scale=1.7]{Scheherazade}
> \newcommand{\pusArabicScript}[1]{{\RL{\pashtofont #1}}}
> ----------------
>
> The error msg itself is contained in the file bidi.dtx, as follows:
> ----------------
> \let\n at xt=\
> \def\LRE{\protect\pLRE}%
> \def\pLRE{\protect\afterassignment\moreLRE \let\n at xt= }
> \def\RLE{\protect\pRLE}
> \def\pRLE{\protect\afterassignment\moreRLE \let\n at xt= }
> \def\bracetext{\ifcat\n at xt{\else\ifcat\n at xt}\fi
> ?\errmessage{Missing left brace has been substituted}\fi \bgroup}
> ----------------
>
> I don't know enough about TeX to know what this is doing (or is supposed
> to be doing), or even if I've copied enough of the bidi.dtx file to make
> any sense.
>
> I've googled the error msg, but didn't come up with anything useful. ?I
> can create a minimal file if need be, but before I do that I was hoping
> someone else had run into this (and come up with a work-around).
>
> ? Mike Maxwell
>
>
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From paul.a.norman at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 01:06:21 2012
From: paul.a.norman at gmail.com (Paul A Norman)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 13:06:21 +1300
Subject: [XeTeX] New font from Brill
In-Reply-To: <4F2FB1B4.7020107@users.sourceforge.net>
References: <1328266964.1969.7.camel@hertf-gareth>
 <CAC1phybF5XhVBBcSNQ5cyTzi9AR0Y2qZO4JwLVoJY3OdYnV_kg@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F2BC47B.9050206@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
 <4F2F7FC1.5010600@users.sourceforge.net>
 <4F2FA9D5.4070601@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
 <4F2FB1B4.7020107@users.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <CAG2d78BJFTApxsN8kYgir6p3bJcZxkJzgOMwrt+XCh4JS9TW6A@mail.gmail.com>

FYI ... Received this back ...

I am sorry about that! I note that the address is not active and will
contact our IT department forthwith.

Any queries as regards the typeface itself please send to Mr Pim Rietbroek;
rietbroek at brill.nl<mailto:rietbroek at brill.nl>

Any questions over the downloading of the fonts off the website, please
direct to me?

With kind regards Richard Foster
Richard Foster

BRILL
Webmaster
P.O. Box 9000
2300 PA LEIDEN
The Netherlands
foster at brill.nl
website at brill.nl

>
> >
> > Pander wrote:
> >
> >> The email address does not exist.
> >
> > There would appear to be a not-inconsiderable
> > element of verisimilitude in that assertion.
> >
> > Philip Taylor
>
> :D
>
> For those who are interested, I have submitted my request to cs at brill.nl
> instead.
>
>
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From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Tue Feb  7 15:43:05 2012
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 09:43:05 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

Hello all,

Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--

Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?

Thank-you!

K


Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
Undergraduate Advisor
Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
Wilfrid Laurier University
75 University Avenue West
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)






From donfulanito at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  8 11:42:45 2012
From: donfulanito at hotmail.com (d fulano)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:42:45 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
References: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
Message-ID: <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>


 

Maybe try to say \relax to the first ** prompt and then 

type your command at the single * prompt that will appear. 

 

This is the recommended method from the texbook to run tex

interactively, as the ** prompt is where someone puts a file name, 

and \relax enters interactive mode. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:20:40 +0100
From: Zdenek Wagner <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
Message-ID:
 <CAC1phyaOya1OousHURrGKETBXqvpA0AEXOf0Sgxs2x__mOQmRA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2
 
2012/2/3 Philip TAYLOR <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk>:
> Trying to help Nat?rcia Fernandes with her query regarding
> Portuguese hyphenation on TeXhax today, I had occasion
> to try the following :
>
>
> ? ? ? ?C:\>xetex
> ? ? ? ?This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
> ? ? ? ? restricted \write18 enabled.
> ? ? ? ?**\showhyphens {nat?rcia}
>
> ? ? ? ?! End of file on the terminal... why?
>
Strange. This is from TL 2011 in Linux x86_64:
 
This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
**\showhyphens {nat?rcia}
entering extended mode
Missing character: There is no ? in font cmr10!
 
Underfull \hbox (badness 10000) detected at line 0
[] \tenrm na-tr-cia
 
\hbox(6.67859+0.0)x16383.99998, glue set 9798.10976 []
 

*
 

>
> If I carry this out in Win/XP's normal catcode r?gime, all proceeds
> normally but the output is corrupt at the point of the accented
> character; if I try the same thing with Lucida Console selected
> as my CMD font and the code page changed to 65001 (Win/XP's number
> for UTF-8) so that I can see the accented "e" in Nat?rcia's name
> correctly, I get instead the above "end of file" message.
>
> Can anyone hazard a guess as to why ?
>
> Philip Taylor 		 	   		  

From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Wed Feb  8 13:13:31 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:13:31 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
 <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F3266EB.2050805@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



d fulano wrote:

> Maybe try to say \relax to the first ** prompt and then
> type your command at the single * prompt that will appear.

> This is the recommended method from the texbook to run tex
> interactively, as the ** prompt is where someone puts a file name,
> and \relax enters interactive mode.

\relax will certainly prevent [Xe]TeX from interpreting
command-line input as a filename, but that did not seem
to be what it was doing anyway. Here is a further
transcript with the default code page (437) followed
by the UTF-8 code page 65001 :

> F:\>cd \
>
> F:\>xetex
> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
>  restricted \write18 enabled.
> **\relax
> entering extended mode
>
> *?\end
> [1]
> (see the transcript file for additional information)
> Output written on texput.pdf (1 page).
> Transcript written on texput.log.
>
> F:\>chcp 65001
> Active code page: 65001
>
> F:\>xetex
> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
>  restricted \write18 enabled.
> **\relax
> entering extended mode
>
> *?
>
> ! Emergency stop.
> <*> \relax
>
> No pages of output.
> Transcript written on texput.log.

As you can see, the ?, when entered in code page
65001, is interpreted as a Ctrl-z.

Philip Taylor

From nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca  Wed Feb  8 13:52:36 2012
From: nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca (Nathan Sidoli)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:52:36 +0900
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
In-Reply-To: <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
 <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F327014.3080303@utoronto.ca>

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience making a critical edition, 
with apparatus with a translation on facing pages using XeTeX, LaTeX, 
etc. I've seen that there a number of packages for doing parallel 
columns, etc., but they don't seen to produce good results for longer work.

If anyone has any experience with a monograph length project, especially 
one involving diagrams, and such, I would be interested in hearing how 
you did it.

I want to have the text it self on one page with a critical apparatus 
using ednote or edmac and an English translation on the facing page, 
with normal footnotes.

Obviously, I will need to manually page break the English, to keep it 
corresponding the source text, but at the moment the only way I can get 
it to behave nicely is to number all the source page numbers with 
consecutive odd numbers and all the translation pages with consecutive 
even numbers and then split up the resulting .pdf file and reorganize 
the pages.

I'm hoping there is a better solution.

From herries.press at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  8 20:03:01 2012
From: herries.press at earthlink.net (PETER WILSON)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:03:01 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
Message-ID: <1084988.1328727781630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: Nathan Sidoli <nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca>
>Sent: Feb 8, 2012 12:52 PM
>To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
>Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
>
>I'm wondering if anyone has any experience making a critical edition, 
>with apparatus with a translation on facing pages using XeTeX, LaTeX, 
>etc. I've seen that there a number of packages for doing parallel 
>columns, etc., but they don't seen to produce good results for longer work.
>
>If anyone has any experience with a monograph length project, especially 
>one involving diagrams, and such, I would be interested in hearing how 
>you did it.
>
>I want to have the text it self on one page with a critical apparatus 
>using ednote or edmac and an English translation on the facing page, 
>with normal footnotes.
>
>Obviously, I will need to manually page break the English, to keep it 
>corresponding the source text, but at the moment the only way I can get 
>it to behave nicely is to number all the source page numbers with 
>consecutive odd numbers and all the translation pages with consecutive 
>even numbers and then split up the resulting .pdf file and reorganize 
>the pages.
>
>I'm hoping there is a better solution.
>
>

Some people like the ledpar package for this kind of thing, although I've never used it myself for anything serious. It needs the ledmac package.

Peter W. (original author of ledpar) 

From tomasek at etf.cuni.cz  Wed Feb  8 22:41:32 2012
From: tomasek at etf.cuni.cz (Petr Tomasek)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:41:32 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
Message-ID: <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>

On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
> 
> Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
> 
> Thank-you!
> 
> K

This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
\insert\footins{...}, but rather \line{} (ending with \hss ...)

I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)

P.T.

> 
> Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
> Undergraduate Advisor
> Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
> Wilfrid Laurier University
> 75 University Avenue West
> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
> Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
> Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Jabber: butrus at jabbim.cz

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From cyocum at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 10:51:03 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:51:03 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
In-Reply-To: <1084988.1328727781630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1084988.1328727781630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4F339707.2080503@gmail.com>

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Hi,

I have used ledpar.  It's difficult to use honestly.  I can send
examples to work with but I am thinking of setting up my critical
edition differently now that I have used ledpar.

Chris


On 08/02/12 19:03, PETER WILSON wrote:
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nathan Sidoli <nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca> Sent: Feb 8, 2012
>> 12:52 PM To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms
>> <xetex at tug.org> Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with
>> translation on facing pages
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has any experience making a critical
>> edition, with apparatus with a translation on facing pages using
>> XeTeX, LaTeX, etc. I've seen that there a number of packages for
>> doing parallel columns, etc., but they don't seen to produce good
>> results for longer work.
>> 
>> If anyone has any experience with a monograph length project,
>> especially one involving diagrams, and such, I would be
>> interested in hearing how you did it.
>> 
>> I want to have the text it self on one page with a critical
>> apparatus using ednote or edmac and an English translation on the
>> facing page, with normal footnotes.
>> 
>> Obviously, I will need to manually page break the English, to
>> keep it corresponding the source text, but at the moment the only
>> way I can get it to behave nicely is to number all the source
>> page numbers with consecutive odd numbers and all the translation
>> pages with consecutive even numbers and then split up the
>> resulting .pdf file and reorganize the pages.
>> 
>> I'm hoping there is a better solution.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Some people like the ledpar package for this kind of thing,
> although I've never used it myself for anything serious. It needs
> the ledmac package.
> 
> Peter W. (original author of ledpar)
> 
> 
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From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Thu Feb  9 16:45:35 2012
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:45:35 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

Hi

Thanks--unfortunately, I do use XeLaTeX ;(

K

>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at  4:41 PM, in message
<20120208214132.GA23534 at ebed.etf.cuni.cz>, Petr Tomasek <tomasek at etf.cuni.cz>
wrote: 
> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
>> 
>> Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of 
> the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
>> 
>> Thank-you!
>> 
>> K
> 
> This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
> \insert\footins{...}, but rather \par{} (ending with \hss ...)
> 
> I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
> using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
> 
> P.T.
> 
>> 
>> Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
>> Undergraduate Advisor
>> Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
>> Wilfrid Laurier University
>> 75 University Avenue West
>> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
>> Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
>> Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From donfulanito at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  9 17:11:09 2012
From: donfulanito at hotmail.com (d fulano)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:11:09 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <4F3266EB.2050805@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
 <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>,<4F3266EB.2050805@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <COL116-W63D25A43066A74F400DD48A87B0@phx.gbl>


It seems to be this is the way the command prompt behaves with an 

invalid (incomplete) utf8 sequence..  Even other command prompt 

programs eg ftp seem to behave strangely with the 65001 codepage 

if random accented characters are typed which correspond to 

invalid utf8.

 

 

In utf-8, to typeset ? (e accent) / unicode E9, you need to type 2 bytes: 

195 169 in decimal

C3 A9 in hex

 

In contrast,in UTF-8 when you type ? (e accent) this signifies 

the first of 3 bytes, which actually encode chinese characters 

at Unicode 9000+. 

So somethng fails in interactive TeX as there are no other 

valid characers following ? as required in utf-8. 

 

You can test the above as:

 

-a- create a text file with the line:

 

\font\arial="Arial Unicode MS" at 12pt\arial ??\bye

 

The two characters are created by character map or 

on the numeric keyboard: alt-195 alt-169.

Running this through xetex produces just one character ? - the e with accute. 

Xetex expects utf8 input.

(need to make sure though that the editor you use doesnt

try to be 'helpful' by reencoding the two strange characters as urf, 

resulting in 4 bytes, so dont choose 'save as utf8 format')

 

-b- if you create \? (backslash e-accute) in a file and run 

it, the program stops with undefined control sequence \??

the two characters displayed after the backslash are the 

utf8 encoding of ? e-acute. So Xetex outputs utf8 text.

 

At least this is what I get on my pc.

 

utf8 is not the same as unicode, it's an encoding for unicode, which 

takes good unicode characters and translates into multi-byte 'garbage'.

Only the first 127 ASCII characters stay the same under UTF8, and 

the rest convert into multi-bytes. 

 

But, why do you want to change your *keyboard* input to utf8 anyway?

It's not that you can do the utf conversion in your head and type the

converted characters in.

 

Xetex expects utf-8 input by default, so you could simply 'type' in utf-encoded

characters eg ?? and it would work. (Easier to use a utf8 enabled text editor 

though...). So there is no need for special translation.

 

Xetex also produces uft-8 output on the screen by default, at least this is what 

I see when there is a problem with accented characters. (thier utf encodings)

It's just that the command window does't translate these utf8 characters into

nice glyphs. And that is the case regardless of the cp 65001 setting. 

Also, the switch for a Unicode-enabled command prompt "cmd /u" also doent help 

with this either.

 

In all the above cases however (whatever the chcp and whatever /u switch is used)

if I open the tex .log file with a text (utf8) editor, I see the correct 

symbols anyway. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>
> F:\>xetex
> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
>  restricted \write18 enabled.
> **\relax
> entering extended mode
>
> *?
>
> ! Emergency stop.
> <*> \relax
>
> No pages of output.
> Transcript written on texput.log.

As you can see, the ?, when entered in code page
65001, is interpreted as a Ctrl-z.


 

 

  		 	   		  

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 17:42:47 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:42:47 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <COL116-W63D25A43066A74F400DD48A87B0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
 <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>
 <4F3266EB.2050805@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
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2012/2/9 d fulano <donfulanito at hotmail.com>:
>
> It seems to be this is the way the command prompt behaves with an
>
> invalid (incomplete) utf8 sequence.. ?Even other command prompt
>
> programs eg ftp seem to behave strangely with the 65001 codepage
>
> if random accented characters are typed which correspond to
>
> invalid utf8.
>
>
>
>
>
> In utf-8, to typeset ? (e accent) / unicode E9, you need to type 2 bytes:
>
> 195 169 in decimal
>
> C3 A9 in hex
>
>
>
> In contrast,in UTF-8 when you type ? (e accent) this signifies
>
> the first of 3 bytes, which actually encode chinese characters
>
> at Unicode 9000+.
>
> So somethng fails in interactive TeX as there are no other
>
> valid characers following ? as required in utf-8.
>
>
>
> You can test the above as:
>
>
>
> -a- create a text file with the line:
>
>
>
> \font\arial="Arial Unicode MS" at 12pt\arial ??\bye
>
This must be some Windows misfeature, my bash shell in Linux works
correclly, locales are set to UTF-8, I can type Czech accented
characters as well as Devanagari directly on the keybord. The
following test works as expected:

This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
**\relax
entering extended mode

*\font\a="Nakula" \a ??? ???? \bye

>
>
> The two characters are created by character map or
>
> on the numeric keyboard: alt-195 alt-169.
>
> Running this through xetex produces just one character ? - the e with accute.
>
> Xetex expects utf8 input.
>
> (need to make sure though that the editor you use doesnt
>
> try to be 'helpful' by reencoding the two strange characters as urf,
>
> resulting in 4 bytes, so dont choose 'save as utf8 format')
>
>
>
> -b- if you create \? (backslash e-accute) in a file and run
>
> it, the program stops with undefined control sequence \??
>
> the two characters displayed after the backslash are the
>
> utf8 encoding of ? e-acute. So Xetex outputs utf8 text.
>
>
>
> At least this is what I get on my pc.
>
>
>
> utf8 is not the same as unicode, it's an encoding for unicode, which
>
> takes good unicode characters and translates into multi-byte 'garbage'.
>
> Only the first 127 ASCII characters stay the same under UTF8, and
>
> the rest convert into multi-bytes.
>
>
>
> But, why do you want to change your *keyboard* input to utf8 anyway?
>
> It's not that you can do the utf conversion in your head and type the
>
> converted characters in.
>
>
>
> Xetex expects utf-8 input by default, so you could simply 'type' in utf-encoded
>
> characters eg ?? and it would work. (Easier to use a utf8 enabled text editor
>
> though...). So there is no need for special translation.
>
>
>
> Xetex also produces uft-8 output on the screen by default, at least this is what
>
> I see when there is a problem with accented characters. (thier utf encodings)
>
> It's just that the command window does't translate these utf8 characters into
>
> nice glyphs. And that is the case regardless of the cp 65001 setting.
>
> Also, the switch for a Unicode-enabled command prompt "cmd /u" also doent help
>
> with this either.
>
>
>
> In all the above cases however (whatever the chcp and whatever /u switch is used)
>
> if I open the tex .log file with a text (utf8) editor, I see the correct
>
> symbols anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> F:\>xetex
>> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (Web2C 2010)
>> ?restricted \write18 enabled.
>> **\relax
>> entering extended mode
>>
>> *?
>>
>> ! Emergency stop.
>> <*> \relax
>>
>> No pages of output.
>> Transcript written on texput.log.
>
> As you can see, the ?, when entered in code page
> 65001, is interpreted as a Ctrl-z.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From jbakker at uni-bonn.de  Thu Feb  9 22:08:55 2012
From: jbakker at uni-bonn.de (Jens Bakker)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:08:55 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
 <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
Message-ID: <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5@uni-bonn.de>

Dear Karljurgen Feuerherm,

May be that I did not understand the question properly. To get footnotes that are set in one paragraph and not each footnote starts with a new paragraph, there is the option "para" provided by the packages "footmisc" and "manyfoot", but I suppose this is known to you and you mean something different.

With best regards,
Jens Bakker



Am 09.02.2012 um 16:45 schrieb Karljurgen Feuerherm:

> Hi
> 
> Thanks--unfortunately, I do use XeLaTeX ;(
> 
> K
> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at  4:41 PM, in message
> <20120208214132.GA23534 at ebed.etf.cuni.cz>, Petr Tomasek <tomasek at etf.cuni.cz>
> wrote: 
>> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of 
>> the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
>>> 
>>> Thank-you!
>>> 
>>> K
>> 
>> This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
>> \insert\footins{...}, but rather \par{} (ending with \hss ...)
>> 
>> I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
>> using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
>> 
>> P.T.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
>>> Undergraduate Advisor
>>> Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
>>> Wilfrid Laurier University
>>> 75 University Avenue West
>>> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
>>> Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
>>> Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)
>>> 
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From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Thu Feb  9 22:49:25 2012
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:49:25 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5@uni-bonn.de>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
 <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5@uni-bonn.de>
Message-ID: <4F33F915.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

Hello Jens,

Actually, no, I did not know that--hence the question. Let me try one or the other of these and see whether they fit the bill.

In fact, footmisc does exactly what I want--though for some reason the spacing around the superscripts in the footnote is not very elegant for some reason....

In a further test, having deleted the following things (which I don't need right now but had in my general preamble because I often use one or the other), it came out as desired.

Deleted:
\usepackage{graphics}
\usepackage{setspace}
\usepackage{tikz-qtree}
\usetikzlibrary{positioning}
\newcommand{\lfam}[1]{\textsc{#1}}
\usepackage{rotating}
\usepackage{xstring}
\usepackage{url}
\usepackage{multirow}
\usepackage{multicol}
\usepackage{supertabular}
\usepackage{graphicx}

It's not too critical but if it should be obvious to someone which of these is messing with footmisc, I'd be happy to know.

BTW the other package, manyfoot, does not appear on my system, though I download everything on MacTeX...

Thanks again for your helpful response!

K

>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at  4:08 PM, in message
<678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5 at uni-bonn.de>, Jens Bakker
<jbakker at uni-bonn.de> wrote: 
> Dear Karljurgen Feuerherm,
> 
> May be that I did not understand the question properly. To get footnotes 
> that are set in one paragraph and not each footnote starts with a new 
> paragraph, there is the option "para" provided by the packages "footmisc" and 
> "manyfoot", but I suppose this is known to you and you mean something 
> different.
> 
> With best regards,
> Jens Bakker
> 
> 
> 
> Am 09.02.2012 um 16:45 schrieb Karljurgen Feuerherm:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Thanks--unfortunately, I do use XeLaTeX ;(
>> 
>> K
>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at  4:41 PM, in message
>> <20120208214132.GA23534 at ebed.etf.cuni.cz>, Petr Tomasek <tomasek at etf.cuni.cz>
>> wrote: 
>>> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of 
> 
>>> the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank-you!
>>>> 
>>>> K
>>> 
>>> This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
>>> \insert\footins{...}, but rather \par{} (ending with \hss ...)
>>> 
>>> I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
>>> using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
>>> 
>>> P.T.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
>>>> Undergraduate Advisor
>>>> Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
>>>> Wilfrid Laurier University
>>>> 75 University Avenue West
>>>> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
>>>> Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
>>>> Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Thu Feb  9 23:35:15 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:35:15 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <4F33F915.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
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 <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5@uni-bonn.de>
 <4F33F915.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
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Am 9.2.2012 um 22:49 schrieb Karljurgen Feuerherm:

> BTW the other package, manyfoot, does not appear on my system, though I download everything on MacTeX...

Check /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/tex/latex/ncctools/manyfoot.sty!

--
Greetings

  Pete

What is this talk of 'release?' Klingons do not make software 'releases.'  Our software 'escapes,' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.



From gweltaz at ucsc.edu  Thu Feb  9 03:30:21 2012
From: gweltaz at ucsc.edu (Gildas Hamel)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:30:21 -0800
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
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 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
Message-ID: <20120209023021.GA13677@gildasmini.local>

* Petr Tomasek (tomasek at etf.cuni.cz) scripsit:
  |>  On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
  |>  > 
  |>  > Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
  |>  > 
  |>  > Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
  |>  > 
  |>  > Thank-you!
  |>  > 
  |>  > K
  |>  
  |>  This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
  |>  \insert\footins{...}, but rather \line{} (ending with \hss ...)
  |>  
  |>  I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
  |>  using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
  |>  
  |>  P.T.
  |>  
 If I'm not mistaken, isn't this what \paragraphfootnotes does in memoir? For TeXlive 2011 see manual page 243 (texdoc memoir).
 -- gildas

From george.pearson at mackichan.com  Thu Feb  9 17:32:08 2012
From: george.pearson at mackichan.com (George Pearson)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:32:08 -0700
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
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Message-ID: <4F33F508.6050401@mackichan.com>

Look at using the footmisc package with the para option.  This is 
probably a question more appropriate for comp.text.tex.

Regards,

George Pearson
MacKichan Software, Inc.   Scientific Word/WorkPlace/Notebook 5.5
Home:     http://www.mackichan.com
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-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
From: Karljurgen Feuerherm <kfeuerherm at wlu.ca>
To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
Date: 2/9/2012 8:45 AM
> Hi
>
> Thanks--unfortunately, I do use XeLaTeX ;(
>
> K
>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at  4:41 PM, in message
> <20120208214132.GA23534 at ebed.etf.cuni.cz>, Petr Tomasek<tomasek at etf.cuni.cz>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
>>>
>>> Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of
>> the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
>>> Thank-you!
>>>
>>> K
>> This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
>> \insert\footins{...}, but rather \par{} (ending with \hss ...)
>>
>> I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
>> using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
>>
>> P.T.
>>
>>> Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
>>> Undergraduate Advisor
>>> Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
>>> Wilfrid Laurier University
>>> 75 University Avenue West
>>> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
>>> Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
>>> Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch.&  Classics)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From gdillon at multnomah.edu  Thu Feb  9 20:24:05 2012
From: gdillon at multnomah.edu (gdillon at multnomah.edu)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:24:05 -0800
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
References: <1084988.1328727781630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <2A9B60548C9A8341A489FFF15A73784EC7F327@tigris.multnomah.dom>

I too have used ledmac/ledpar.  It is a bit complex, but seems to work fine
with texts read from Left to Right.  I've encountered some issues here and
there working with languages read Right to Left while using Unicode character
sets and the polyglossia package.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: xetex-bounces at tug.org [mailto:xetex-bounces at tug.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Yocum
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:51 AM
To: xetex at tug.org
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages

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Hi,

I have used ledpar.  It's difficult to use honestly.  I can send examples to
work with but I am thinking of setting up my critical edition differently now
that I have used ledpar.

Chris


On 08/02/12 19:03, PETER WILSON wrote:
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nathan Sidoli <nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca> Sent: Feb 8, 2012
>> 12:52 PM To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms 
>> <xetex at tug.org> Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on 
>> facing pages
>> 
>> I'm wondering if anyone has any experience making a critical edition, 
>> with apparatus with a translation on facing pages using XeTeX, LaTeX, 
>> etc. I've seen that there a number of packages for doing parallel 
>> columns, etc., but they don't seen to produce good results for longer 
>> work.
>> 
>> If anyone has any experience with a monograph length project, 
>> especially one involving diagrams, and such, I would be interested in 
>> hearing how you did it.
>> 
>> I want to have the text it self on one page with a critical apparatus 
>> using ednote or edmac and an English translation on the facing page, 
>> with normal footnotes.
>> 
>> Obviously, I will need to manually page break the English, to keep it 
>> corresponding the source text, but at the moment the only way I can 
>> get it to behave nicely is to number all the source page numbers with 
>> consecutive odd numbers and all the translation pages with 
>> consecutive even numbers and then split up the resulting .pdf file 
>> and reorganize the pages.
>> 
>> I'm hoping there is a better solution.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Some people like the ledpar package for this kind of thing, although 
> I've never used it myself for anything serious. It needs the ledmac 
> package.
> 
> Peter W. (original author of ledpar)
> 
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Thu Feb  9 23:43:54 2012
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:43:54 -0600
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <4F33F915.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
 <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
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On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:

> 
> BTW the other package, manyfoot, does not appear on my system, though I download everything on MacTeX...
> 

Howdy,

Why do you say that? It certainly is supplied with TeX Live and MacTeX installs a complete TeX Live. If you are trying to find it by using Finder you should know that the complete TeX Live is not displayed by Finder. That doesn't mean it isn't there. 

In Terminal run the command

texdoc manyfoot

to get the documentation for the manyfoot package.

In general TeX Live is so complete that almost any package you may need is already supplied (there might be some very local packages that you would need to install. In general you should just assume the package you need is installed and try to use it.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Thu Feb  9 23:59:52 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:59:52 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <B86B0C02-6287-411D-86F6-7AD7BB60FCFA@wideopenwest.com>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
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 <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5@uni-bonn.de>
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Message-ID: <4F344FE8.8090504@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



Herbert Schulz wrote:

> If you are trying to find it by using Finder you should know
> that the complete TeX Live is not displayed by Finder.
> That doesn't mean it isn't there.

You mean to tell us that after all these years of having
Apple Macintosh users tell us that the Macintosh is light-
years ahead of the PC, the much-vaunted "Finder" is no
better than Windows "Search" ?  Do these manufacturers
vie with each other to see who can produce the cr at ppiest code ?!

Philip Taylor

From jbakker at uni-bonn.de  Fri Feb 10 00:03:18 2012
From: jbakker at uni-bonn.de (Jens Bakker)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:03:18 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <4F33F915.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
 <4F33A3CF.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5@uni-bonn.de>
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Message-ID: <690FBB9C-EFCC-4AFB-92F6-A1F2EEF113A8@uni-bonn.de>

Dear Karljurgen,

The package manyfoot by Alexander I. Rozhenko is part of the bundle "ncc tools" in TeX Live. You can find it by typing "ncc tools" in the search line of the TeX Live Utility. Then click on "Show Info" and you can find the manual for manyfoot. Or you can find this package documentation on CTAN:

http://www.ctan.org/pkg/manyfoot

With best wishes and best regards,
Jens Bakker



Am 09.02.2012 um 22:49 schrieb Karljurgen Feuerherm:

> Hello Jens,
> 
> Actually, no, I did not know that--hence the question. Let me try one or the other of these and see whether they fit the bill.
> 
> In fact, footmisc does exactly what I want--though for some reason the spacing around the superscripts in the footnote is not very elegant for some reason....
> 
> In a further test, having deleted the following things (which I don't need right now but had in my general preamble because I often use one or the other), it came out as desired.
> 
> Deleted:
> \usepackage{graphics}
> \usepackage{setspace}
> \usepackage{tikz-qtree}
> \usetikzlibrary{positioning}
> \newcommand{\lfam}[1]{\textsc{#1}}
> \usepackage{rotating}
> \usepackage{xstring}
> \usepackage{url}
> \usepackage{multirow}
> \usepackage{multicol}
> \usepackage{supertabular}
> \usepackage{graphicx}
> 
> It's not too critical but if it should be obvious to someone which of these is messing with footmisc, I'd be happy to know.
> 
> BTW the other package, manyfoot, does not appear on my system, though I download everything on MacTeX...
> 
> Thanks again for your helpful response!
> 
> K
> 
>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at  4:08 PM, in message
> <678B17F5-2B10-4F57-B471-E0ADF6095CF5 at uni-bonn.de>, Jens Bakker
> <jbakker at uni-bonn.de> wrote: 
>> Dear Karljurgen Feuerherm,
>> 
>> May be that I did not understand the question properly. To get footnotes 
>> that are set in one paragraph and not each footnote starts with a new 
>> paragraph, there is the option "para" provided by the packages "footmisc" and 
>> "manyfoot", but I suppose this is known to you and you mean something 
>> different.
>> 
>> With best regards,
>> Jens Bakker
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 09.02.2012 um 16:45 schrieb Karljurgen Feuerherm:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Thanks--unfortunately, I do use XeLaTeX ;(
>>> 
>>> K
>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at  4:41 PM, in message
>>> <20120208214132.GA23534 at ebed.etf.cuni.cz>, Petr Tomasek <tomasek at etf.cuni.cz>
>>> wrote: 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing across the width of 
>> 
>>>> the page, without line breaks) without putting material into a table?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank-you!
>>>>> 
>>>>> K
>>>> 
>>>> This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc. in
>>>> \insert\footins{...}, but rather \par{} (ending with \hss ...)
>>>> 
>>>> I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't recommend
>>>> using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
>>>> 
>>>> P.T.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
>>>>> Undergraduate Advisor
>>>>> Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
>>>>> Wilfrid Laurier University
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>>>>> Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
>>>>> Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Fri Feb 10 00:39:04 2012
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:39:04 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <20120209023021.GA13677@gildasmini.local>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <CAC1phyZNF+FPpSpMoK1JcJr_0ni7SX295GBov-ALy+mTjnEs5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <4F30F229.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca> <20120208214132.GA23534@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>
 <20120209023021.GA13677@gildasmini.local>
Message-ID: <4F3412C8.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

Ah--I shall check that, thanks!

K

>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at  9:30 PM, in message
<20120209023021.GA13677 at gildasmini.local>, Gildas Hamel
<gweltaz at ucsc.edu>
wrote:
> * Petr Tomasek (tomasek at etf.cuni.cz) scripsit:
>   |>  On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 09:43:05AM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm
wrote:
>   |>  >
>   |>  > Not really a XeTeX question (likely), but--
>   |>  >
>   |>  > Is there a way to get running footnotes (i.e. continuing
across the
> width of the page, without line breaks) without putting material into
a
> table?
>   |>  >
>   |>  > Thank-you!
>   |>  >
>   |>  > K
>   |>
>   |>  This seems trivial if using plain (Xe)TeX: Don't use \par etc.
in
>   |>  \insert\footins{...}, but rather \par{} (ending with \hss ...)
>   |>
>   |>  I have no idea how to achieve this in (Xe)LaTeX (and I won't
recommend
>   |>  using (Xe)LaTeX either either, as it is too complicated...)
>   |>
>   |>  P.T.
>   |>
>  If I'm not mistaken, isn't this what \paragraphfootnotes does in
memoir?
> For TeXlive 2011 see manual page 243 (texdoc memoir).
>  -- gildas
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From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Fri Feb 10 00:40:41 2012
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:40:41 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Running footnotes
In-Reply-To: <B86B0C02-6287-411D-86F6-7AD7BB60FCFA@wideopenwest.com>
References: <dbb86e9b27f9c94ece284d885970731e@umiacs.umd.edu>
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Hi Herb,

No, I don't use Finder for that. I have a direct shortcut to the LaTeX
directory because I look at things all the time. I suppose it is not on
'the beaten path' or something.

I will look again, more carefully.

Thanks

K

>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at  5:43 PM, in message
<B86B0C02-6287-411D-86F6-7AD7BB60FCFA at wideopenwest.com>, Herbert
Schulz
<herbs at wideopenwest.com> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW the other package, manyfoot, does not appear on my system,
though I
> download everything on MacTeX...
>>
>
> Howdy,
>
> Why do you say that? It certainly is supplied with TeX Live and
MacTeX
> installs a complete TeX Live. If you are trying to find it by using
Finder
> you should know that the complete TeX Live is not displayed by
Finder. That
> doesn't mean it isn't there.
>
> In Terminal run the command
>
> texdoc manyfoot
>
> to get the documentation for the manyfoot package.
>
> In general TeX Live is so complete that almost any package you may
need is
> already supplied (there might be some very local packages that you
would need
> to install. In general you should just assume the package you need is

> installed and try to use it.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>
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From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Fri Feb 10 10:02:25 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:02:25 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX and code page 65001
In-Reply-To: <COL116-W63D25A43066A74F400DD48A87B0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1247.1328275136.3570.xetex@tug.org>
 <COL116-W41B19BD4C0433342CFE2F4A87A0@phx.gbl>,
 <4F3266EB.2050805@Rhul.Ac.Uk> <COL116-W63D25A43066A74F400DD48A87B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F34DD21.2050309@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



d fulano wrote:
[...]

> In contrast,in UTF-8 when you type ? (e accent) this signifies
> the first of 3 bytes, which actually encode chinese characters
> at Unicode 9000+.

Yes, I agree, because the ? you have used in your example is
not a Unicode ? but rather an ISO 8859-1 ?.  But my ? was not
not an ISO 8859-1 ? but rather a Unicode ? (all examples so
far are still using your ISO 8859-1 encoding, so as not to
make the discussion unreadable).  So given that I am inputting
a real Unicode ?, why would that cause XeTeX to interpret it
as a Ctrl-Z ?

Philip Taylor



From vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org  Sat Feb 11 02:31:17 2012
From: vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org (Vikas Rawal)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:01:17 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin characters
Message-ID: <20120211013117.GA5863@panahar>

I would like to use different fonts for devanagari and latin
characters. Is there way of defining this document-wide?

Vikas

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sat Feb 11 16:00:13 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:00:13 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
In-Reply-To: <20120211013117.GA5863@panahar>
References: <20120211013117.GA5863@panahar>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyZZf3FfmY1wcp955aCBOTmQKnXok9oUCMPmOTi4H=ZhzQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/11 Vikas Rawal <vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org>:
> I would like to use different fonts for devanagari and latin
> characters. Is there way of defining this document-wide?
>
Probably the best way is to use polyglossia, you can define a font per language.

> Vikas
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From akupadhyayula at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 01:10:19 2012
From: akupadhyayula at gmail.com (A u)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:10:19 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] How to Convert LaTeX to Html
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Cf6ML6rWj+LNW6BKw4UKip0P1C7qsLO_+dRTsOO4_U94A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAORQZug4z4CB_HW5Ns8WiR=fXiC0m3HOOm83mSpPehM=vTWGsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKdt-Cf6ML6rWj+LNW6BKw4UKip0P1C7qsLO_+dRTsOO4_U94A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAORQZujLEeywvUUhe0KJn_oQ2Tu+van773xcUuDs_MsTLFBmGQ@mail.gmail.com>

chandra,

I ran this command "htxelatex Bala.tex # generate html"


and got this error
----------------------------------------------------
(--- xdv font = Sanskrit2003 (not implemented) ---)
--- warning --- Couldn't find font `Sanskrit2003.htf' (char codes: 0--255)
(--- xdv font = Sanskrit2003 (not implemented) ---)
--- error --- Illegal storage address
----------------------------
t4ht.c (2010-12-16-08:47 kpathsea)
t4ht -.xdv
  -f/Bala.tex
(/usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/tex4ht/base/unix/tex4ht.env)
Entering Bala.lg



On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a LaTeX-to-HTML translator built in to TeXStudio<http://texstudio.sourceforge.net/>.
> I've never used it in anger, so I can't say much about it.
>
> D
>
>
>
>
> On 31 January 2012 18:47, A u <akupadhyayula at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I uploaded the working files with pdf output file to google docs here is
>> the link docs.google.com<https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2ORRM7gQAXeZWIwMGY2YTMtYTA2OS00MWVlLWIxNDktNzNkMzZmODU0MTVk>
>>
>> I am trying to convert this file to html. I read few posts on the
>> internet but did not get any workable solution. one time somehow I manage
>> to get html output but the output looked like source tex file rather than
>> close to output pdf.
>> I would really appreciate your help
>>
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From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 12:32:04 2012
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:32:04 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phyZZf3FfmY1wcp955aCBOTmQKnXok9oUCMPmOTi4H=ZhzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120211013117.GA5863@panahar>
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Message-ID: <CAKdt-Ccp7ksz2xuH4JR3ZZiB8ad1vXPkcxYQyEyL7W5Q0NySSQ@mail.gmail.com>

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainfont{Charis SIL}
\newfontfamily\sanskritfont[Script=Devanagari]{Sanskrit 2003}

\begin{document}

Here's some text in the default font,
Charis, and {\sanskritfont
???? ????????????????????? ??????| \par}
\end{document}

output:
[image: pic_005.png]
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From vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org  Sun Feb 12 12:40:40 2012
From: vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org (Vikas Rawal)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:10:40 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
In-Reply-To: <CAKdt-Ccp7ksz2xuH4JR3ZZiB8ad1vXPkcxYQyEyL7W5Q0NySSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120211013117.GA5863@panahar>
 <CAC1phyZZf3FfmY1wcp955aCBOTmQKnXok9oUCMPmOTi4H=ZhzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20120212114040.GA3805@panahar>

> 
> Here's some text in the default font,
> Charis, and {\sanskritfont
> ???? ????????????????????? ??????| \par}
> \end{document}


Isn't there a way to do it document-wide? So different fonts are
automatically used depending on the script.

Vikas



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From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 13:47:41 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:47:41 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
In-Reply-To: <20120212114040.GA3805@panahar>
References: <20120211013117.GA5863@panahar>
 <CAC1phyZZf3FfmY1wcp955aCBOTmQKnXok9oUCMPmOTi4H=ZhzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2012/2/12 Vikas Rawal <vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org>:
>>
>> Here's some text in the default font,
>> Charis, and {\sanskritfont
>> ???? ????????????????????? ??????| \par}
>> \end{document}
>
>
> Isn't there a way to do it document-wide? So different fonts are
> automatically used depending on the script.
>
Another possibility is to use ucharclasses. This package is non-free,
you can freely download it from CTAN and use it but you are not
allowed to distribute it. This is the reason why you cannot find it in
TeX distributions. This is a small sample (no need to change fonts
manually):

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage[Devanagari]{ucharclasses}
\setmainfont{Charis SIL}
\setTransitionTo{Devanagari}{\fontspec[Script=Devanagari]{Nakula}}
\begin{document}
I can write in English ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???
\end{document}

> Vikas
>
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http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Sun Feb 12 13:58:35 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:58:35 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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Zdenek Wagner wrote:

> Another possibility is to use ucharclasses. This package is non-free,
> you can freely download it from CTAN and use it but you are not
> allowed to distribute it.

THat is not how I read it, Zden?k.  Mike says :

>  This package was written by Mike "Pomax" Kamermans, from
>  nihongoresources and is ?? 2010, Michiel Kamermans. You
>  may freely use this package, but you are discouraged from
>  modifying this package and then redistributing it. Instead,
>  please contact me (ideally on the XeTeX mailing list) and
>  we can discuss the changes you wish to make. If they
>  benefit everyone, they will be worked in as a new version.

so redistribution seems fine.  Only /modification/ followed
by re-distribution is discouraged, and even then only "discouraged",
not "forbidden".  Mike' position seems quite logical and
reasonable to me.

** Phil (Philip Taylor).

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 14:08:49 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:08:49 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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2012/2/12 Philip TAYLOR <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk>:
>
>
> Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>
>> Another possibility is to use ucharclasses. This package is non-free,
>> you can freely download it from CTAN and use it but you are not
>> allowed to distribute it.
>
>
> THat is not how I read it, Zden?k.  Mike says :
>
>>  This package was written by Mike "Pomax" Kamermans, from
>>  nihongoresources and is ?(c) 2010, Michiel Kamermans. You
>>  may freely use this package, but you are discouraged from
>>  modifying this package and then redistributing it. Instead,
>>  please contact me (ideally on the XeTeX mailing list) and
>>  we can discuss the changes you wish to make. If they
>>  benefit everyone, they will be worked in as a new version.
>
>
> so redistribution seems fine.  Only /modification/ followed
> by re-distribution is discouraged, and even then only "discouraged",
> not "forbidden".  Mike' position seems quite logical and
> reasonable to me.
>
The author has right to decide how his package can be used. If people
are discouraged to distribute it, TL maintainers feel discouraged and
do not distribute it. I am also discouraged, thus I only point to
CTAN. I have tried this package with a few scripts and have not found
any problem so far.

> ** Phil (Philip Taylor).



-- 
Zden?k Wagner
http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/
http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 14:39:35 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:39:35 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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2012/2/12 Philip TAYLOR <P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk>:
>
>
> Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>
>> The author has right to decide how his package can be used. If people
>> are discouraged to distribute it, TL maintainers feel discouraged and
>> do not distribute it.
>
> But Mike does not seek to discourage people from distributing
> it, Zden?k : he seeks only to discourage them from /modifying/
> and then distributing it. ?That is a very different thing,
> would you not agree ?
>
I am not the one who decides what can be included in TL and what
cannot. Authors can decide how their packages can be used and
maintainers of distributions have their own right to decide what to
include. I wanted to write a useful answer explaining why the package
is not included. I do not wish to start any kind of a flame war
because I respect both the authors and TL maintainers.

> ** Phil.



-- 
Zden?k Wagner
http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/
http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Sun Feb 12 14:45:48 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:45:48 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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Zdenek Wagner wrote:

> I am not the one who decides what can be included in TL and what
> cannot. Authors can decide how their packages can be used and
> maintainers of distributions have their own right to decide what to
> include. I wanted to write a useful answer explaining why the package
> is not included. I do not wish to start any kind of a flame war
> because I respect both the authors and TL maintainers.

Nor do I, Zdenek; my contribution was meant in exactly the same
spirit as yours.  I sought only to point out that Mike neither
forbids nor discourages redistribution, because in your original
message you had written :

> [ucharclasses]is non-free, you can freely download it from CTAN
> and use it but you are not allowed to distribute it.

and I wanted to point out that the last part was incorrect.

This in no way intended as a flame war, just an attempt
to clarify the situation lest others be discouraged from
distributing an unmodified copy of "ucharclasses", which
as you most correctly point out, is a very useful tool
in one's XeTeX armoury.

** Phil.

From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Sun Feb 12 14:24:34 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:24:34 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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Zdenek Wagner wrote:

 > The author has right to decide how his package can be used. If people
 > are discouraged to distribute it, TL maintainers feel discouraged and
 > do not distribute it.

But Mike does not seek to discourage people from distributing
it, Zden?k : he seeks only to discourage them from /modifying/
and then distributing it.  That is a very different thing,
would you not agree ?

** Phil.

From vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org  Sun Feb 12 15:25:00 2012
From: vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org (Vikas Rawal)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:55:00 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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Thanks everyone for the points, comments and clarifications. I will
look up ucharclasses and polyglossia.

Thanks again,

Vikas

From vikasrawal at agrarianresearch.org  Sun Feb 12 04:00:48 2012
From: vikasrawal at agrarianresearch.org (Vikas Rawal)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:30:48 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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> >
> Probably the best way is to use polyglossia, you can define a font
> per language.
> 

Perfect.

Thanks.

Vikas

From vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org  Sun Feb 12 16:18:18 2012
From: vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org (Vikas Rawal)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:48:18 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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> >
> Another possibility is to use ucharclasses. This package is non-free,
> you can freely download it from CTAN and use it but you are not
> allowed to distribute it. This is the reason why you cannot find it in
> TeX distributions. This is a small sample (no need to change fonts
> manually):


Sorry for this really elementary question. How do I install
ucharclasses? I am running debian with Texlive.

Vikas

From vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org  Sun Feb 12 16:22:37 2012
From: vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org (Vikas Rawal)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:52:37 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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> 
> 
> Sorry for this really elementary question. How do I install
> ucharclasses? I am running debian with Texlive.
> 

Figured it. I just needed to copy the files to the directory where my
tex files were.

Vikas

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 16:41:05 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:41:05 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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2012/2/12 Vikas Rawal <vikaslists at agrarianresearch.org>:
>>
>>
>> Sorry for this really elementary question. How do I install
>> ucharclasses? I am running debian with Texlive.
>>
>
> Figured it. I just needed to copy the files to the directory where my
> tex files were.
>
This will work with that single document only. It is better to put it
to a directory below texmf-local/tex/xelatex and then run mktexlsr. In
my computer I put it to this directory:

$ kpsewhich ucharclasses.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2011/../texmf-local/tex/xelatex/ucharclasses/ucharclasses.sty

Similarly, I put ucharclasses.pdf to
$ kpsewhich ucharclasses.sty
/usr/local/texlive/2011/../texmf-local/doc/xelatex/ucharclasses/ucharclasses.pdf

Thus "texdoc ucharclasses" shows the manual without need of doing anything else.

Simple rule for manual installation of packages: look how the files
are organized in texmf-dist and create an analogous directory
structure in texmf-local.

> Vikas
>
>
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From maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu  Sun Feb 12 16:58:14 2012
From: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu (Mike Maxwell)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:58:14 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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On 2/12/2012 7:47 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> Another possibility is to use ucharclasses...
> This is a small sample (no need to change fonts manually):
>
> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \usepackage[Devanagari]{ucharclasses}
> \setmainfont{Charis SIL}
> \setTransitionTo{Devanagari}{\fontspec[Script=Devanagari]{Nakula}}
> \begin{document}
> I can write in English ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???
> \end{document}

This sort of thing came up several years ago on this mailing list (I 
don't recall the date, but it was before the 19 Dec 2010 date on the 
current ucharclasses documentation).  Some people on the list said that 
this idea would break where there were ambiguous characters.  I presume 
that would mostly be punctuation.  Some Unicode blocks have their own 
punctuation (there's a danda, roughly the equivalent of a period = full 
stop, in the above text), but often other blocks use ASCII or extended 
Latin punctuation.  I don't suppose that's much of a problem with 
left-to-right scripts, but I can at least imagine it messing up 
right-to-left scripts.  A period or paren or comma in the middle of 
Arabic, Hebrew, or Thaana text, say.

I skimmed the documentation, but it doesn't mention this situation.  (It 
does mention potential problems with English and Vietnamese.)  However, 
there is a \setTransitionsForPunctuation (sxn 4.4), and maybe you could 
use this to work around the problem (if it is indeed a problem).

Has anyone worked with mixing L2R and R2L scripts using this, and if so, 
did you run into problems?
-- 
	Mike Maxwell
	maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu
	"My definition of an interesting universe is
	one that has the capacity to study itself."
         --Stephen Eastmond

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 17:16:06 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:16:06 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
	characters
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2012/2/12 Mike Maxwell <maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu>:
> On 2/12/2012 7:47 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>>
>> Another possibility is to use ucharclasses...
>>
>> This is a small sample (no need to change fonts manually):
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \usepackage{fontspec}
>> \usepackage[Devanagari]{ucharclasses}
>> \setmainfont{Charis SIL}
>> \setTransitionTo{Devanagari}{\fontspec[Script=Devanagari]{Nakula}}
>> \begin{document}
>> I can write in English ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???
>> \end{document}
>
>
> This sort of thing came up several years ago on this mailing list (I don't
> recall the date, but it was before the 19 Dec 2010 date on the current
> ucharclasses documentation). ?Some people on the list said that this idea
> would break where there were ambiguous characters. ?I presume that would
> mostly be punctuation. ?Some Unicode blocks have their own punctuation
> (there's a danda, roughly the equivalent of a period = full stop, in the
> above text), but often other blocks use ASCII or extended Latin punctuation.
> ?I don't suppose that's much of a problem with left-to-right scripts, but I
> can at least imagine it messing up right-to-left scripts. ?A period or paren
> or comma in the middle of Arabic, Hebrew, or Thaana text, say.
>
> I skimmed the documentation, but it doesn't mention this situation. ?(It
> does mention potential problems with English and Vietnamese.) ?However,
> there is a \setTransitionsForPunctuation (sxn 4.4), and maybe you could use
> this to work around the problem (if it is indeed a problem).
>
> Has anyone worked with mixing L2R and R2L scripts using this, and if so, did
> you run into problems?
> --
I have tried but the text did not contain parentheses. I will try if I
find some time.

> ? ? ? ?Mike Maxwell
> ? ? ? ?maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu
> ? ? ? ?"My definition of an interesting universe is
> ? ? ? ?one that has the capacity to study itself."
> ? ? ? ?--Stephen Eastmond



-- 
Zden?k Wagner
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http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca  Sun Feb 12 17:33:22 2012
From: mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca (mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:33:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [XeTeX] Using different fonts for devanagari and latin
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> The author has right to decide how his package can be used. If people
> are discouraged to distribute it, TL maintainers feel discouraged and
> do not distribute it. I am also discouraged, thus I only point to
> CTAN. I have tried this package with a few scripts and have not found
> any problem so far.

We don't need to go through the "discourage" discussion again, but it does
seem clear to me that it's only *modified* versions that you're
discouraged from distributing, and distribution of *unmodified* versions
is not discouraged.  Much like a Creative Commons "no derivatives" license.

Whether that's "non-free" depends on how important you think modification
is to freedom; but I'm sure that if the TL maintainers distributed it at
all then they would be distributing it unmodified, so it'd be silly of
them to feel discouraged from doing that just because the author doesn't
want them to do something completely different.
-- 
Matthew Skala
mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca                 People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Feb 12 23:32:38 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:32:38 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How to Convert LaTeX to Html
In-Reply-To: <CAORQZujLEeywvUUhe0KJn_oQ2Tu+van773xcUuDs_MsTLFBmGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAORQZug4z4CB_HW5Ns8WiR=fXiC0m3HOOm83mSpPehM=vTWGsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKdt-Cf6ML6rWj+LNW6BKw4UKip0P1C7qsLO_+dRTsOO4_U94A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAORQZujLEeywvUUhe0KJn_oQ2Tu+van773xcUuDs_MsTLFBmGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F17DA251-845C-414E-948D-C586DEB78507@Web.DE>


Am 12.2.2012 um 01:10 schrieb A u:

> (--- xdv font = Sanskrit2003 (not implemented) ---)
> --- warning --- Couldn't find font `Sanskrit2003.htf' (char codes: 0--255)
> (--- xdv font = Sanskrit2003 (not implemented) ---)

In TeX4ht you cannot use every font, only those that are already converted to HTF format ? I don't know how this conversion works.

--
Greetings

  Pete

Life is the only flaw in an otherwise perfect nonexistence
				? Schopenhauer



From ross.moore at mq.edu.au  Tue Feb 14 06:54:32 2012
From: ross.moore at mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:54:32 +1100
Subject: [XeTeX] How to Convert LaTeX to Html
In-Reply-To: <F17DA251-845C-414E-948D-C586DEB78507@Web.DE>
References: <CAORQZug4z4CB_HW5Ns8WiR=fXiC0m3HOOm83mSpPehM=vTWGsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKdt-Cf6ML6rWj+LNW6BKw4UKip0P1C7qsLO_+dRTsOO4_U94A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAORQZujLEeywvUUhe0KJn_oQ2Tu+van773xcUuDs_MsTLFBmGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <F17DA251-845C-414E-948D-C586DEB78507@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <1F51E81A-72A9-43D0-8047-FA1D2EBE1456@mq.edu.au>

Hi Peter,

On 13/02/2012, at 9:32 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote:

> 
> Am 12.2.2012 um 01:10 schrieb A u:
> 
>> (--- xdv font = Sanskrit2003 (not implemented) ---)
>> --- warning --- Couldn't find font `Sanskrit2003.htf' (char codes: 0--255)
>> (--- xdv font = Sanskrit2003 (not implemented) ---)
> 
> In TeX4ht you cannot use every font, only those that are already converted to HTF format ? I don't know how this conversion works.
> 

There is an explanation in The LaTeX Web Companion, ?4.6.7 .

> --
> Greetings
> 
>  Pete



Cheers,

	Ross

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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Feb 14 11:01:18 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:01:18 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How to Convert LaTeX to Html
In-Reply-To: <1F51E81A-72A9-43D0-8047-FA1D2EBE1456@mq.edu.au>
References: <CAORQZug4z4CB_HW5Ns8WiR=fXiC0m3HOOm83mSpPehM=vTWGsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKdt-Cf6ML6rWj+LNW6BKw4UKip0P1C7qsLO_+dRTsOO4_U94A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAORQZujLEeywvUUhe0KJn_oQ2Tu+van773xcUuDs_MsTLFBmGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <F17DA251-845C-414E-948D-C586DEB78507@Web.DE>
 <1F51E81A-72A9-43D0-8047-FA1D2EBE1456@mq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <95561E53-E1FA-4D3F-B22D-3E76D3C852AD@Web.DE>


Am 14.2.2012 um 06:54 schrieb Ross Moore:

> There is an explanation in The LaTeX Web Companion, ?4.6.7 .

Which is not here around...

--
Greetings

  Pete

Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?
				- Tom Stoppard



From juan.acevedo.juan at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 01:21:28 2012
From: juan.acevedo.juan at gmail.com (Juan Acevedo)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:21:28 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
Message-ID: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>

Hello,

The package arabtex has a handy switch to reduce the number of Arabic ligatures used: you can alternate between the essential ligatures (\ligsfalse) or having additionally stacking letters (\ligstrue).

Now I'm working with arabxetex. I have to set some pages of Persian, I realise that Persian typesetting is sparing in its use of ligatures and I would like to reduce them to a minimum, like avoiding stacking letters. Is there any way to achieve that \ligsfalse effect in arabxetex, or any dirty trick to that effect someone might like to share?

I have searched all over and I have been trying unsuccessfully the different combinations of fontspec Ligatures settings. 

Thanks for any help or hint,
Juan

From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Wed Feb 15 15:53:31 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:53:31 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:21:28AM +0000, Juan Acevedo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The package arabtex has a handy switch to reduce the number of Arabic
> ligatures used: you can alternate between the essential ligatures
> (\ligsfalse) or having additionally stacking letters (\ligstrue).
> 
> Now I'm working with arabxetex. I have to set some pages of Persian, I
> realise that Persian typesetting is sparing in its use of ligatures
> and I would like to reduce them to a minimum, like avoiding stacking
> letters. Is there any way to achieve that \ligsfalse effect in
> arabxetex, or any dirty trick to that effect someone might like to
> share?
> 
> I have searched all over and I have been trying unsuccessfully the
> different combinations of fontspec Ligatures settings. 

Depending on the style of the font, ?ligature? can be essential to get
proper rendering and disabling them would result in suboptimal (or even
illegible) rendering. If you think the font is too fancy for your needs,
then it is better to choose a different, simplified font.

Regards,
 Khaled

From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 15 16:05:18 2012
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:05:18 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
Message-ID: <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>

On 15 Feb 2012, at 14:53, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:21:28AM +0000, Juan Acevedo wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The package arabtex has a handy switch to reduce the number of Arabic
>> ligatures used: you can alternate between the essential ligatures
>> (\ligsfalse) or having additionally stacking letters (\ligstrue).
>> 
>> Now I'm working with arabxetex. I have to set some pages of Persian, I
>> realise that Persian typesetting is sparing in its use of ligatures
>> and I would like to reduce them to a minimum, like avoiding stacking
>> letters. Is there any way to achieve that \ligsfalse effect in
>> arabxetex, or any dirty trick to that effect someone might like to
>> share?
>> 
>> I have searched all over and I have been trying unsuccessfully the
>> different combinations of fontspec Ligatures settings. 
> 
> Depending on the style of the font, ?ligature? can be essential to get
> proper rendering and disabling them would result in suboptimal (or even
> illegible) rendering. If you think the font is too fancy for your needs,
> then it is better to choose a different, simplified font.
> 
> Regards,
> Khaled

The xetex features (which fontspec accesses via settings such as Ligatures) for enabling/disabling specific OpenType features are only supported for "simple" scripts (such as Latin). For scripts such as Arabic that involve complex "shaping" behavior, the script-specific shaping engine controls which features are applied at each character. It would be nice to have the ability to *also* apply (or disable) optional features, in addition to the script-required ones, but that's not supported at the moment.

I'd recommend choosing a font that was explicitly designed for Persian, which may have slightly different stylistic preferences than typical Arabic usage.

JK



From nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca  Wed Feb 15 16:06:09 2012
From: nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca (Nathan Sidoli)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:06:09 +0900
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
In-Reply-To: <2A9B60548C9A8341A489FFF15A73784EC7F327@tigris.multnomah.dom>
References: <1084988.1328727781630.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <4F339707.2080503@gmail.com>
 <2A9B60548C9A8341A489FFF15A73784EC7F327@tigris.multnomah.dom>
Message-ID: <4F3BC9E1.8010403@utoronto.ca>

Thanks to everyone who replied to this.

I have tried ledpar in the past, but ran into trouble as soon as the 
document became fairly involved.



On 12/02/10 4:24, gdillon at multnomah.edu wrote:
> I too have used ledmac/ledpar.  It is a bit complex, but seems to work fine
> with texts read from Left to Right.  I've encountered some issues here and
> there working with languages read Right to Left while using Unicode character
> sets and the polyglossia package.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xetex-bounces at tug.org [mailto:xetex-bounces at tug.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> Yocum
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:51 AM
> To: xetex at tug.org
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on facing pages
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> Hi,
>
> I have used ledpar.  It's difficult to use honestly.  I can send examples to
> work with but I am thinking of setting up my critical edition differently now
> that I have used ledpar.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 08/02/12 19:03, PETER WILSON wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nathan Sidoli<nathan.sidoli at utoronto.ca>  Sent: Feb 8, 2012
>>> 12:52 PM To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms
>>> <xetex at tug.org>  Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition with translation on
>>> facing pages
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has any experience making a critical edition,
>>> with apparatus with a translation on facing pages using XeTeX, LaTeX,
>>> etc. I've seen that there a number of packages for doing parallel
>>> columns, etc., but they don't seen to produce good results for longer
>>> work.
>>>
>>> If anyone has any experience with a monograph length project,
>>> especially one involving diagrams, and such, I would be interested in
>>> hearing how you did it.
>>>
>>> I want to have the text it self on one page with a critical apparatus
>>> using ednote or edmac and an English translation on the facing page,
>>> with normal footnotes.
>>>
>>> Obviously, I will need to manually page break the English, to keep it
>>> corresponding the source text, but at the moment the only way I can
>>> get it to behave nicely is to number all the source page numbers with
>>> consecutive odd numbers and all the translation pages with
>>> consecutive even numbers and then split up the resulting .pdf file
>>> and reorganize the pages.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping there is a better solution.
>>>
>>>
>> Some people like the ledpar package for this kind of thing, although
>> I've never used it myself for anything serious. It needs the ledmac
>> package.
>>
>> Peter W. (original author of ledpar)
>>
>>
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From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 16:17:07 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:17:07 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/15 Jonathan Kew <jfkthame at googlemail.com>:
> I'd recommend choosing a font that was explicitly designed for Persian, which may have slightly different stylistic preferences than typical Arabic usage.
>
> JK
>
It is also important to note that Persian makes use a a few characters
that are not used in Arabic. Strictly Arabic font may not contain all
needed characters.



-- 
Zden?k Wagner
http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/
http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Feb 15 18:29:13 2012
From: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu (maxwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:29:13 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03bade3153c805ca91c3c8a80455e982@umiacs.umd.edu>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:17:07 +0100, Zdenek Wagner
<zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2012/2/15 Jonathan Kew <jfkthame at googlemail.com>:
>> I'd recommend choosing a font that was explicitly designed for Persian,
>> which may have slightly different stylistic preferences than typical
>> Arabic usage.
>>
>> JK
>>
> It is also important to note that Persian makes use a a few characters
> that are not used in Arabic. Strictly Arabic font may not contain all
> needed characters.

The SIL Scheherazade font covers all the characters in the Unicode Arabic
script block (not the presentation forms).  Afaik, that includes all
Persian (Pashto, Urdu, Punjabi...) characters, in the Naskh style.  There
are a few Arabic script chars used in African languages that it does not
yet cover.  I think there's a Linux program that tells what languages a
font can be set for, but I can never remember what it's called (fc-list
doesn't seem to provide that info).

   Mike Maxwell

From mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca  Wed Feb 15 18:55:58 2012
From: mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca (mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:55:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <03bade3153c805ca91c3c8a80455e982@umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, maxwell wrote:
> The SIL Scheherazade font covers all the characters in the Unicode Arabic
> script block (not the presentation forms).  Afaik, that includes all
> Persian (Pashto, Urdu, Punjabi...) characters, in the Naskh style.  There
> are a few Arabic script chars used in African languages that it does not

There's more to covering a language correctly than having glyphs for all
the code points.  Not all languages can use the SAME glyph for any given
code point, and in scripts with complex layout there might also be
differences in the layout features. This issue shows up especially often
between CJK languages, but I imagine it would also be applicable between
Arabic and Persian.  It even shows up between English and German - the
ligature rules are different even if the character set and glyphs
are (almost) the same.
-- 
Matthew Skala
mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca                 People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Feb 15 18:53:56 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:53:56 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <03bade3153c805ca91c3c8a80455e982@umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <0778C029-005E-4580-AA8B-DD263E9FE4B1@Web.DE>


Am 15.2.2012 um 18:29 schrieb maxwell:

> (fc-list doesn't seem to provide that info)

It does:

	fc-list : file family fullname lang | grep -i schehera
	/Library/Fonts/Extrafonts/ScheherazadeRegOT.ttf: Scheherazade:fullname=Scheherazade:lang=aa|ar|ast|ay|az-ir|bi|br|ch|co|da|de|en|es|et|eu|fa|fi|fj|fo|fr|fur|fy|gd|gl|gv|ho|ia|id|ie|io|is|it|ks|ku-ir|lb|mg|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|oc|om|ps-af|ps-pk|pt|rm|sma|smj|so|sq|ss|st|sv|sw|tl|tn|ts|ug|ur|uz|vo|vot|wa|xh|yap|zu|an|fil|ht|jv|kj|ku-iq|kwm|li|ms|ng|ota|pa-pk|pap-an|pap-aw|rn|rw|sc|sd|sg|sn|su|za|lah

--
Greetings

  Pete
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                       ~_\\_/\
                      ~  O   O



From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 19:34:45 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:34:45 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <03bade3153c805ca91c3c8a80455e982@umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <03bade3153c805ca91c3c8a80455e982@umiacs.umd.edu>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyboGMsYE9FB7_RVQA8o4euPEhNjnE9C1B=q+YxbtvsGQQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/15 maxwell <maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu>:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:17:07 +0100, Zdenek Wagner
> <zdenek.wagner at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 2012/2/15 Jonathan Kew <jfkthame at googlemail.com>:
>>> I'd recommend choosing a font that was explicitly designed for Persian,
>>> which may have slightly different stylistic preferences than typical
>>> Arabic usage.
>>>
>>> JK
>>>
>> It is also important to note that Persian makes use a a few characters
>> that are not used in Arabic. Strictly Arabic font may not contain all
>> needed characters.
>
> The SIL Scheherazade font covers all the characters in the Unicode Arabic
> script block (not the presentation forms). ?Afaik, that includes all
> Persian (Pashto, Urdu, Punjabi...) characters, in the Naskh style. ?There
> are a few Arabic script chars used in African languages that it does not
> yet cover. ?I think there's a Linux program that tells what languages a
> font can be set for, but I can never remember what it's called (fc-list
> doesn't seem to provide that info).
>
I have configured mi Firefox in Linux to use SIL Scheherazade for
Arabic and Urdu pages are rendered correctly.

> ? Mike Maxwell
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
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From maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Feb 15 19:37:29 2012
From: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu (maxwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:37:29 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <0778C029-005E-4580-AA8B-DD263E9FE4B1@Web.DE>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <0778C029-005E-4580-AA8B-DD263E9FE4B1@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <0be5a97f8bd67223aaf8d2294297afaa@umiacs.umd.edu>

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:53:56 +0100, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE>
wrote:
> Am 15.2.2012 um 18:29 schrieb maxwell:
> 
>> (fc-list doesn't seem to provide that info)
> 
> It does:
> 
> 	fc-list : file family fullname lang | grep -i schehera
> 	/Library/Fonts/Extrafonts/ScheherazadeRegOT.ttf:
>
	Scheherazade:fullname=Scheherazade:lang=aa|ar|ast|ay|az-ir|bi|br|ch|co|da|de|en|es|et|eu|fa|fi|fj|fo|fr|fur|fy|gd|gl|gv|ho|ia|id|ie|io|is|it|ks|ku-ir|lb|mg|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|oc|om|ps-af|ps-pk|pt|rm|sma|smj|so|sq|ss|st|sv|sw|tl|tn|ts|ug|ur|uz|vo|vot|wa|xh|yap|zu|an|fil|ht|jv|kj|ku-iq|kwm|li|ms|ng|ota|pa-pk|pap-an|pap-aw|rn|rw|sc|sd|sg|sn|su|za|lah

Thanks--there's another program that gives this kind of info, and more,
but I can't remember its name.

Back on this one: most of those codes appear to be ISO 639-1 codes
(including a large number of Latin script languages).  And I can figure out
what the hyphenated codes are, e.g. ku-ir is Iranian Kurdish (with the
second code being an ISO 3166-1 country code).  But what are the
three-letter codes in there?  ast, fur, nds, sma, smj, vot and yap?  639-2
codes?  

I wish fc-list were better documented...

   Mike Maxwell

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Feb 15 23:25:28 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:25:28 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <0be5a97f8bd67223aaf8d2294297afaa@umiacs.umd.edu>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <0778C029-005E-4580-AA8B-DD263E9FE4B1@Web.DE>
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Message-ID: <F19D02CE-8836-4D4F-B559-88DE1B9E823C@Web.DE>


Am 15.2.2012 um 19:37 schrieb maxwell:

> Thanks--there's another program that gives this kind of info, and more,
> but I can't remember its name.

	otfinfo -s /Library/Fonts/Extrafonts/ScheherazadeRegOT.ttf
	arab		Arabic
	arab.KUR	Arabic/Kurdish
	arab.SND	Arabic/Sindhi
	arab.URD	Arabic/Urdu

> 
> Back on this one: most of those codes appear to be ISO 639-1 codes
> (including a large number of Latin script languages).  And I can figure out
> what the hyphenated codes are, e.g. ku-ir is Iranian Kurdish (with the
> second code being an ISO 3166-1 country code).  But what are the
> three-letter codes in there?  ast, fur, nds, sma, smj, vot and yap?  639-2
> codes?  

ISO  3166:    http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes
ISO  3166-2:  http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/background_on_iso_3166/iso_3166-2.htm
ISO   639:    http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/
ISO   639-3:  http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/
ISO 15924:    http://unicode.org/iso15924/

> 
> I wish fc-list were better documented...

I think it is ? there are HTML and PDF multi-page documents:

  /usr/local/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html
  /usr/local/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.pdf
  /usr/local/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.txt

--
Greetings

  Pete

Make it simple, as simple as possible but no simpler.
				? Albert Einstein



From maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu  Thu Feb 16 04:41:37 2012
From: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu (Mike Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:41:37 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <F19D02CE-8836-4D4F-B559-88DE1B9E823C@Web.DE>
References: <65A9D8FC-9C1D-4F82-AA02-AA7DCF44CB91@gmail.com>
 <20120215145330.GA17311@khaled-laptop>
 <F0DD241F-F374-4766-B3E3-91761537341E@gmail.com>
 <CAC1phyakZ-Kf0VOsOSQ_GgLQ2uqgf_e+Ojearkc+gTTqRqJQjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <03bade3153c805ca91c3c8a80455e982@umiacs.umd.edu>
 <0778C029-005E-4580-AA8B-DD263E9FE4B1@Web.DE>
 <0be5a97f8bd67223aaf8d2294297afaa@umiacs.umd.edu>
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Message-ID: <4F3C7AF1.7060405@umiacs.umd.edu>

On 2/15/2012 5:25 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> Am 15.2.2012 um 19:37 schrieb maxwell:
>> Thanks--there's another program that gives this kind of info, and more,
>> but I can't remember its name.
> 	otfinfo -s /Library/Fonts/Extrafonts/ScheherazadeRegOT.ttf

Thanks, that's what I was looking for.  Now I'm trying to find out why 
that doesn't show up in `apropos`...  But that's not a question for this 
forum.

>> I wish fc-list were better documented...
>
> I think it is ? there are HTML and PDF multi-page documents:
>
>    /usr/local/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html
>    /usr/local/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.pdf
>    /usr/local/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.txt

And thanks for that too--I found it on the web, once you told me what to 
look for.
-- 
	Mike Maxwell
	maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu
	"My definition of an interesting universe is
	one that has the capacity to study itself."
         --Stephen Eastmond

From mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca  Sat Feb 18 16:37:44 2012
From: mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca (mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:37:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [XeTeX] Windows views XeTeX PDF with bad font size
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>

I'm sorry I don't have many details because it wasn't my own system on
which the problem appeared, but:  I have a PDF file generated with XeTeX
(xdvipdfm), and a Japanese font embedded in the PDF.  It looks fine on my
screen (under Linux, with a couple of different viewers) and it prints
correctly when I send it to my laser printer.  But when my friend tries to
view it on a Windows machine, he complains that "there's not enough space
between the characters" and from the screen shot it's apparent that the
viewer has scaled the font to a too-large size while still positioning
each glyph at its correct reference point.  As a result the glyphs touch
and overlap.

Most likely this is some problem with the Windows PDF viewer.  I've seen
similar things before though not as extreme as the current case - it may
have some standard sizes, and round things to the nearest standard size
even if that's a bad idea, as a result of trying to make pixel hinting
look nice.  But if there's anything I can change in the way I generate the
PDF file (or by editing the font) to make this issue less likely to occur
on Windows systems, it'd be valuable to know about.
-- 
Matthew Skala
mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca                 People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/

From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Sat Feb 18 16:49:19 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:49:19 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Windows views XeTeX PDF with bad font size
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <20120218154919.GA27292@khaled-laptop>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 09:37:44AM -0600, mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> I'm sorry I don't have many details because it wasn't my own system on
> which the problem appeared, but:  I have a PDF file generated with XeTeX
> (xdvipdfm), and a Japanese font embedded in the PDF.  It looks fine on my
> screen (under Linux, with a couple of different viewers) and it prints
> correctly when I send it to my laser printer.  But when my friend tries to
> view it on a Windows machine, he complains that "there's not enough space
> between the characters" and from the screen shot it's apparent that the
> viewer has scaled the font to a too-large size while still positioning
> each glyph at its correct reference point.  As a result the glyphs touch
> and overlap.
> 
> Most likely this is some problem with the Windows PDF viewer.  I've seen
> similar things before though not as extreme as the current case - it may
> have some standard sizes, and round things to the nearest standard size
> even if that's a bad idea, as a result of trying to make pixel hinting
> look nice.  But if there's anything I can change in the way I generate the
> PDF file (or by editing the font) to make this issue less likely to occur
> on Windows systems, it'd be valuable to know about.

One possibility is that you are using a CFF-flavoured OTF font with a
non-1000 EM which will render with inflated glyphs on certain versions
of Adobe Reader (not only on Windows). This seems to be a xdvipdfmx/AR
bug (luatex had it too, but IIRC correctly it was later fixed). If this
is the case, AFAIK the only solution (sans fixing the driver) is to use
a different font or a different viewer.

Regards,
 Khaled

From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 18 16:49:29 2012
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:49:29 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Windows views XeTeX PDF with bad font size
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <31E7D0CF-0F40-4568-A178-7B39CB5A23EE@gmail.com>

On 18 Feb 2012, at 15:37, mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:

> I'm sorry I don't have many details because it wasn't my own system on
> which the problem appeared, but:  I have a PDF file generated with XeTeX
> (xdvipdfm), and a Japanese font embedded in the PDF.  It looks fine on my
> screen (under Linux, with a couple of different viewers) and it prints
> correctly when I send it to my laser printer.  But when my friend tries to
> view it on a Windows machine, he complains that "there's not enough space
> between the characters" and from the screen shot it's apparent that the
> viewer has scaled the font to a too-large size while still positioning
> each glyph at its correct reference point.  As a result the glyphs touch
> and overlap.
> 
> Most likely this is some problem with the Windows PDF viewer.  I've seen
> similar things before though not as extreme as the current case - it may
> have some standard sizes, and round things to the nearest standard size
> even if that's a bad idea, as a result of trying to make pixel hinting
> look nice.  But if there's anything I can change in the way I generate the
> PDF file (or by editing the font) to make this issue less likely to occur
> on Windows systems, it'd be valuable to know about.

This sounds like an issue I've seen previously, where certain OpenType/CFF fonts where the font matrix is not the usual 1000 units per em display incorrectly when embedded in PDF by xetex and viewed with more recent versions of Adobe Reader. (I forget exactly which version changed the interpretation of these fonts...)

Your Windows-using friend may be able to view the document by using a non-Adobe reader such as SumatraPDF; equally, you may be able to verify the problem yourself by using an Adobe viewer rather than one based on xpdf/poppler/ghostscript/etc.

If you're in a position to edit the font such that it has a 1000-unit em square, this may resolve the incompatibility.

What really needs to happen is a change in how (x)dvipdfmx embeds such fonts, but I don't have the time and expertise to work on this at the moment... :(

JK



From mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca  Sat Feb 18 17:00:16 2012
From: mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca (mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:00:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [XeTeX] Windows views XeTeX PDF with bad font size
In-Reply-To: <31E7D0CF-0F40-4568-A178-7B39CB5A23EE@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
 <31E7D0CF-0F40-4568-A178-7B39CB5A23EE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180956001.4791@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> If you're in a position to edit the font such that it has a 1000-unit em
> square, this may resolve the incompatibility.

It *is* a font with a non-1000-unit em, so that's probably the issue and
editing the font is probably the right solution.  It bothers me, because
non-1000 values ought to be supported, but even if I and this one user can
change our software, I need the font (which I'm designing) to work for
other users both generating and viewing documents, and I can't expect the
whole world to change software versions when there's a large installed
base of viewers and XeTeX versions that don't work with non-1000 values.
-- 
Matthew Skala
mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca                 People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 17:36:20 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:36:20 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Windows views XeTeX PDF with bad font size
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180956001.4791@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180922220.4056@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
 <31E7D0CF-0F40-4568-A178-7B39CB5A23EE@gmail.com>
 <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202180956001.4791@tetsu.ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyY88GvzAJkz2z+T5yOAcveBB=e7s8wh9xB6nLy357dTAg@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/18  <mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca>:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2012, Jonathan Kew wrote:
>> If you're in a position to edit the font such that it has a 1000-unit em
>> square, this may resolve the incompatibility.
>
> It *is* a font with a non-1000-unit em, so that's probably the issue and
> editing the font is probably the right solution. ?It bothers me, because
> non-1000 values ought to be supported, but even if I and this one user can
> change our software, I need the font (which I'm designing) to work for
> other users both generating and viewing documents, and I can't expect the
> whole world to change software versions when there's a large installed
> base of viewers and XeTeX versions that don't work with non-1000 values.
> --
I got similar problem with non-1000 em Devanagari font. It was
displayed properly in AR in Linux but was printed overlapped and in
wrong size. Ghostscript was not able to display PDF with such a font
and issued a fatal error. AR in Windows displayed the PDF with
overlapping characters. MS Word (probably 2003) in Windows 7 was able
to read this PDF and print it properly although the font was not
installed in that Windows machine, Word took it from the PDF file.

> Matthew Skala
> mskala at ansuz.sooke.bc.ca ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? People before principles.
> http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/
>
>
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From ron at ronware.org  Sat Feb 18 18:02:00 2012
From: ron at ronware.org (Ron Aaron)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:02:00 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] How may I get colored background on text?
Message-ID: <4F3FD988.90809@ronware.org>

Hello, all --

I am a happy user of xetex (plain), but one thing I am having
considerable difficulty with is getting specific text to have a
different background.  For example, coloring rows of a table or anything
similar.

I cannot figure out what "\special"s I might need to accomplish this
rather mundane task -- any help would be most appreciated!

Thank you,
Ron

From juan.acevedo at gmx.net  Sat Feb 18 19:12:52 2012
From: juan.acevedo at gmx.net (Juan Acevedo)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:12:52 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1329390001.12881.xetex@tug.org>
References: <mailman.5.1329390001.12881.xetex@tug.org>
Message-ID: <204F8E64-F6F4-4FB7-9E92-637AE910BF15@gmx.net>

Thanks for all the input, everybody.

Now turning back to arabxetex, I would like to use this specific beautiful Arabic font, Amiri (v.0.101, downloadable here http://www.amirifont.org/, with thanks to Khaled). 

Trying to overrule with fontspec the default ligatures of the font, I look up its OpenType features, and otfinfo gives me only one line:
mark	Mark Positioning

But when I check the Fonts>Typography options in OSX TextEdit, there are two!
Alternative Stylistic Sets
Character Alternates

If I untick Contextual Alternates within Character Alternates, then presto, I obtain the desired effect: to use only mandatory ligatures. To give a visual reference, I am attaching a screen picture where the first line has full ligatures (=Contextual Alternates), and the second only mandatory ligatures.

Now, I find strange that otfinfo is not showing these other features, but I find unbelievable that fonstspec cannot fiddle with these additional features, so I'm sure one of you will know how to go about it.

With hope in your replies!
And thanks,
Juan
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From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 18 19:43:49 2012
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:43:49 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <204F8E64-F6F4-4FB7-9E92-637AE910BF15@gmx.net>
References: <mailman.5.1329390001.12881.xetex@tug.org>
 <204F8E64-F6F4-4FB7-9E92-637AE910BF15@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <3556482C-2AF7-4116-9F45-DBBFF8C1DAF4@gmail.com>

On 18 Feb 2012, at 18:12, Juan Acevedo wrote:

> Thanks for all the input, everybody.
> 
> Now turning back to arabxetex, I would like to use this specific beautiful Arabic font, Amiri (v.0.101, downloadable here http://www.amirifont.org/, with thanks to Khaled). 
> 
> Trying to overrule with fontspec the default ligatures of the font, I look up its OpenType features, and otfinfo gives me only one line:
> mark	Mark Positioning
> 
> But when I check the Fonts>Typography options in OSX TextEdit, there are two!
> Alternative Stylistic Sets
> Character Alternates

I don't know why otfinfo doesn't show you all the features you would expect, but...

> 
> If I untick Contextual Alternates within Character Alternates, then presto, I obtain the desired effect: to use only mandatory ligatures. To give a visual reference, I am attaching a screen picture where the first line has full ligatures (=Contextual Alternates), and the second only mandatory ligatures.
> 
> Now, I find strange that otfinfo is not showing these other features, but I find unbelievable that fonstspec cannot fiddle with these additional features, so I'm sure one of you will know how to go about it.

...unbelievable though it may be to you, I can assure you that fontspec *cannot* fiddle with those features. The complex-script shaping engines currently used in xetex do not support user control of optional features. Sorry!

The only exception to this would be if the font were using AAT rather than OpenType for shaping/features. But that's not the case with Amiri, I'm sure.

JK



From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Sat Feb 18 19:51:43 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:51:43 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <3556482C-2AF7-4116-9F45-DBBFF8C1DAF4@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.5.1329390001.12881.xetex@tug.org>
 <204F8E64-F6F4-4FB7-9E92-637AE910BF15@gmx.net>
 <3556482C-2AF7-4116-9F45-DBBFF8C1DAF4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120218185143.GA22522@khaled-laptop>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 06:43:49PM +0000, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2012, at 18:12, Juan Acevedo wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for all the input, everybody.
> > 
> > Now turning back to arabxetex, I would like to use this specific
> > beautiful Arabic font, Amiri (v.0.101, downloadable here
> > http://www.amirifont.org/, with thanks to Khaled). 
> > 
> > Trying to overrule with fontspec the default ligatures of the font,
> > I look up its OpenType features, and otfinfo gives me only one line:
> > mark	Mark Positioning
> > 
> > But when I check the Fonts>Typography options in OSX TextEdit, there
> > are two!
> > Alternative Stylistic Sets
> > Character Alternates
> 
> I don't know why otfinfo doesn't show you all the features you would expect, but...

By default otfinfo shows the features of ?latn? scripts, and here it is
only ?mark?. Passing ?--script=arab? should show show features defined
for Arabic script.

Regards,
 Khaled

From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Sat Feb 18 20:16:51 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:16:51 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Reducing ligatures in arabxetex
In-Reply-To: <204F8E64-F6F4-4FB7-9E92-637AE910BF15@gmx.net>
References: <mailman.5.1329390001.12881.xetex@tug.org>
 <204F8E64-F6F4-4FB7-9E92-637AE910BF15@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20120218191651.GB22522@khaled-laptop>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 06:12:52PM +0000, Juan Acevedo wrote:
> If I untick Contextual Alternates within Character Alternates, then
> presto, I obtain the desired effect: to use only mandatory ligatures.
> To give a visual reference, I am attaching a screen picture where the
> first line has full ligatures (=Contextual Alternates), and the second
> only mandatory ligatures.

IMO, this will give you really poor result as many of the ?ligature??
are really required and should not be turned off. At one point I'll try
to split them into ?rlig? for forms that I consider a must, ?liga? for
good to have but OK to turn off (though still on by default), and ?dlig?
for exotic ones that are off by default (though I don't consider any of
the existing forms to belong to this category). Though this wouldn't
help you, because XeTeX does not allow controlling feature for complex
scripts, as Jonathan states elsewhere in this thread.

? technically speaking, the font has no ligatures at all, but contextual
  alternates.

Regards,
 Khaled

From acmccollum101 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 20:27:08 2012
From: acmccollum101 at gmail.com (Adam McCollum)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:27:08 -0600
Subject: [XeTeX] Georgian in LaTeX?
Message-ID: <6357D9C3-01D0-4FC1-940F-0C9FE71D28F9@gmail.com>

Dear list members,

Am I correct that there is currently no way to use Georgian script  
with Polyglossia? I know there is an older method with Babel, but of  
course I'd prefer Polyglossia. I will be grateful for any responses to  
the question.

With best wishes,

Adam McCollum



From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Sat Feb 18 21:15:21 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:15:21 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Fixing displacement of big operator's limits with some fonts
Message-ID: <20120218201520.GA25090@khaled-laptop>

Hi all,

A while ago, it has been reported that with certain version of Neo Euler
font, summation limits were displaced[1] and the issue were later fixed
by changing DisplayOperatorMinHeight math constant.

Now I found the root of this. If DisplayOperatorMinHeight is higher than
the height+depth of the display variant of a big operator, the limits
are displaced (which was the case with summation in Neo Euler), this is
because the code path in this case does not update the metrics of the
constructed box to that of the last found glyph and keep using the
metrics of the base glyph.

The attached patch fixes this issue for me, as demonstrated by the
attached files.

[1] http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2010-October/019007.html

Regards,
 Khaled

P.S. The limits of the first formula in the page being set in script
style, but it seems to be an unrelated issue, and happens with other
fonts as well.
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Feb 18 22:09:53 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:09:53 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How may I get colored background on text?
In-Reply-To: <4F3FD988.90809@ronware.org>
References: <4F3FD988.90809@ronware.org>
Message-ID: <76DA04DA-BE5D-4226-ADAE-F8E1D0BD9EBC@Web.DE>


Am 18.2.2012 um 18:02 schrieb Ron Aaron:

> I cannot figure out what "\special"s I might need to accomplish this
> rather mundane task -- any help would be most appreciated!

See the dvipdfm documentation: texdoc dvipdfm.

--
Greetings

  Pete

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
		-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania



From arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org  Sun Feb 19 07:16:01 2012
From: arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org (Arthur Reutenauer)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 06:16:01 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Georgian in LaTeX?
In-Reply-To: <6357D9C3-01D0-4FC1-940F-0C9FE71D28F9@gmail.com>
References: <6357D9C3-01D0-4FC1-940F-0C9FE71D28F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120219061601.GB17068@phare.normalesup.org>

	Hi Adam,

  In order to use the Georgian script, all you need is an appropriate
font, and fontspec to load it, with commands such as

	\setmainfont[Script=Georgian]{<font name>}

or \setotherfont if your main document script isn't Georgian.

  There is no Georgian support in Babel.  What is Babel doing for you
that fontspec isn't?

  As you point out, there is no Georgian support in Polyglossia either,
but if all you want to do is to use the Georgian script, you don't need
anything more than XeTeX and fontspec (and a font).  Other than that, if
there are specific requirements for typesetting Georgian and you can
make a detailed specification, I'm happy to add support for it in
Polyglossia.

	Arthur

From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Sun Feb 19 18:43:21 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:43:21 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Fix excessively wide math accents on scripted glyphs
Message-ID: <20120219174320.GA12046@khaled-laptop>

Hi all,

I think this have been reported several times before; with OpenType math
fonts accents over scripted glyphs are too wide as if the accent were to
be placed over the scripts as well. With a bit of investigation, it
turns out that with OpenType fonts, XeTeX is choosing the accent based
on the width of the box after adding the scripts to it unlike how it
does with legacy fonts, so unless there is really a good reason to do
that (I don't think so), it should check against the width of the box
before adding the scripts. The attached patch simplifies the code a tiny
bit to use the correct width, fixing this issue.

Regards,
 Khaled

P.S. \hat and \widehat are currently identical, but this is another
issue not related to this.
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From maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu  Sun Feb 19 23:42:20 2012
From: maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu (Mike Maxwell)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:42:20 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] How to use ucharclasses
Message-ID: <4F417ACC.5010107@umiacs.umd.edu>

(This is addressed to Michiel Kamermans, but I'm putting it here on the XeTeX list in case it helps 
others.)

I'm trying to figure out how best to use your 'ucharclasses' program, and I'm a little confused 
(TeX/ LaTeX not being my main programming language).

I'm working with a couple right-to-left scripts, Thaana and Arabic, in the context of grammars 
written in English.  Both the R2L scripts often incorporate ASCII punctuation characters, which are 
generally present in the fonts for those scripts.  So what I *think* I want is the ff:

\usepackage[Latin,Punctuation,Phonetics,Arabic,Thaana]{ucharclasses}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\usepackage{bidi}
\setTransitionsFor{Latin}{\fontspec{Charis SIL}\setLR}{}
\setTransitionsFor{Phonetics}{\fontspec{Charis SIL}\setLR}{}
\setTransitionsFor{Arabic}{\fontspec[Script=Arabic]{Scheherazade}\setRL}{}
\setTransitionsFor{Punctuation}{}{}
\setTransitionTo{Thaana}{\fontspec{Mv Elaaf Normal}\setRL}

What I'm confused about is that no-op line for Punctuation: Maybe I don't need it.  I just want to 
make sure that ucharclasses doesn't automatically (and incorrectly) set the directionality when it 
hits an ASCII punctuation character.  So I put this command in so as to override any behavior that 
punctuation might inherit from Latin (i.e. from BasicLatin).  If that's correct--if I need to 
override the behavior that punctuation would otherwise get from Latin--do I need to do the 
\setTransitionsFor{Punctuation} before or after the \setTransitionsFor{Latin} command?

Also, is there any reason here to use \setTransitionFrom?  I don't see any, so long as I cover all 
the transitions *to* a block, but maybe I'm missing s.t.  In the sample file (ucharclasses.tex), 
Michiel of course does do a transition out of right-to-left when exiting the Arabic block; but I 
explicitly do not want to do this when encountering punctuation.

Finally, I'm assuming space characters in the XeLaTeX input don't trigger any kind of transition 
(despite the fact that the ASCII space char is in BasicLatin).  Otherwise the L2R and R2L 
transitions surely wouldn't work right.
-- 
	Mike Maxwell
	maxwell at umiacs.umd.edu
	"My definition of an interesting universe is
	one that has the capacity to study itself."
         --Stephen Eastmond

From stephan at theched.org  Mon Feb 20 02:20:02 2012
From: stephan at theched.org (Stephan)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 02:20:02 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Multiple column colors
Message-ID: <4F419FC2.5010709@theched.org>

Good evening,

I have been pulling my hair on the way to use XeLaTeX with the environment,
and more precisely with colours inside the environment. It seems, that
XeLaTeX gets barfed
when it comes to handling those colors (as opposed to pdflatex who
manages that quite well)

did any of you face this issue and was able to solve it ?

For example, this code (http://pastebin.com/U7B4mjic) works well under
pdfLatex (one column
turns out blue, the other red), while in XeLaTeX, the colors are mixed

Thank you,

-Stephan



From martin at oneiros.de  Mon Feb 20 16:08:01 2012
From: martin at oneiros.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_Schr=F6der?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:08:01 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Multiple column colors
In-Reply-To: <4F419FC2.5010709@theched.org>
References: <4F419FC2.5010709@theched.org>
Message-ID: <CAP7DCDcXj0XVa9EfH4HK62=9gW_pOB1goZ91cnOjzNhuQX8xPQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/20 Stephan <stephan at theched.org>:
> For example, this code (http://pastebin.com/U7B4mjic) works well under
> pdfLatex (one column
> turns out blue, the other red), while in XeLaTeX, the colors are mixed

AFAIK pdfparcolumns works only with pdfTeX.

Best
   Martin

From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 20 17:36:44 2012
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:36:44 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Multiple column colors
In-Reply-To: <CAP7DCDcXj0XVa9EfH4HK62=9gW_pOB1goZ91cnOjzNhuQX8xPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F419FC2.5010709@theched.org>
 <CAP7DCDcXj0XVa9EfH4HK62=9gW_pOB1goZ91cnOjzNhuQX8xPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120220163644.GA3004@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:08:01PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote:

> 2012/2/20 Stephan <stephan at theched.org>:
> > For example, this code (http://pastebin.com/U7B4mjic) works well under
> > pdfLatex (one column
> > turns out blue, the other red), while in XeLaTeX, the colors are mixed
> 
> AFAIK pdfparcolumns works only with pdfTeX.

Because pdfTeX supports multiple color stacks.
Also LuaTeX should work with package `luacolor',
because LuaTeX supports attributes.

XeTeX and other (dvips, ...) offer neither
multiple color stacks nor attributs.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Mon Feb 20 23:30:07 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:30:07 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Support extensible accents
Message-ID: <20120220223007.GA17722@khaled-laptop>

Hi all,

Currently XeTeX does not support extensible accents (just like TeX)
which leads unicode-math to doing some ugly hacks to support \overbrace
etc. The attached patch provides support for extensible accents (by
adapting some commented out code and taking some inspirations from
luatex implementation).

The output is nearly identical to luatex's except that luatex takes
account of \delimiterfactor and \delimitershortfall when calculating the
desired width of the accent, but luatex behaviour does not confirm to
Office implementation nor \overbrace behaviour in plain tex, so I didn't
follow it.

The second patch does some cosmetic changes to better reflect the new
job of build_opentype_assembly(). Both patches are to be applied after
the previous ones.

Regards,
 Khaled
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From zappathustra at free.fr  Tue Feb 21 12:02:02 2012
From: zappathustra at free.fr (Paul Isambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:02:02 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Bad handling of lookup subtables.
Message-ID: <20120221110203.A1C96A62B2@smtp3-g21.free.fr>

Hello all,

I use XeTeX to do some testing on fonts. If I'm not mistaken, given a
lookup with subtables, the latter are tried one after the other until
one of them identifies a proper input and is applied. In other words,
only one subtable should be applied for a given lookup.

However, it seems to me that XeTeX applies all subtables; in most cases,
this is harmless, since only one of them finds a proper input anyway.
But in some cases, a subtable may be designed precisely to prevent a
subsequent subtable from matching in some contexts.

For instance, this is how the "ss02" feature in Minion Pro works (Minion
Pro is distributed with Acrobat, which is why I use it as an example).
This feature replaces some letter, e.g. "e", by variants ("e.end") in
some contexts (at the end of a word). To do so, a first subtable matches
"e + X", where "X" is another letter, and does nothing; a second subtable
matches "e" anywhere and does the replacement. The net effect is that
"e" is replaced with "e.end" only when not followed by another letter,
since the first subtable prevents the second from matching in unwanted
contexts.

However, since XeTeX applies all subtables, the replacement is always
done. I've also tested that with a stupid handmade substitution turning
"a" to "b" (first subtable) and "b" to "c" (second subtable), just to
make sure XeTeX wasn't confused by dummy subtables (i.e. performing no
change) and/or contextual substitutions; the test was positive as I
ended up with "a" turned to "c" instead of "b".

As far as I'm concerned, this is a pretty serious bug; but perhaps I've
missed something (including, who knows, that this bug has already been
spotted)?

Best,
Paul


From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 21 12:58:18 2012
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:58:18 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] Bad handling of lookup subtables.
In-Reply-To: <20120221110203.A1C96A62B2@smtp3-g21.free.fr>
References: <20120221110203.A1C96A62B2@smtp3-g21.free.fr>
Message-ID: <FF189913-DC4C-45B6-9C71-1622AF39C9B0@gmail.com>

This sounds like http://bugs.icu-project.org/trac/ticket/7753

JK

On 21 Feb 2012, at 11:02, Paul Isambert wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I use XeTeX to do some testing on fonts. If I'm not mistaken, given a
> lookup with subtables, the latter are tried one after the other until
> one of them identifies a proper input and is applied. In other words,
> only one subtable should be applied for a given lookup.
> 
> However, it seems to me that XeTeX applies all subtables; in most cases,
> this is harmless, since only one of them finds a proper input anyway.
> But in some cases, a subtable may be designed precisely to prevent a
> subsequent subtable from matching in some contexts.
> 
> For instance, this is how the "ss02" feature in Minion Pro works (Minion
> Pro is distributed with Acrobat, which is why I use it as an example).
> This feature replaces some letter, e.g. "e", by variants ("e.end") in
> some contexts (at the end of a word). To do so, a first subtable matches
> "e + X", where "X" is another letter, and does nothing; a second subtable
> matches "e" anywhere and does the replacement. The net effect is that
> "e" is replaced with "e.end" only when not followed by another letter,
> since the first subtable prevents the second from matching in unwanted
> contexts.
> 
> However, since XeTeX applies all subtables, the replacement is always
> done. I've also tested that with a stupid handmade substitution turning
> "a" to "b" (first subtable) and "b" to "c" (second subtable), just to
> make sure XeTeX wasn't confused by dummy subtables (i.e. performing no
> change) and/or contextual substitutions; the test was positive as I
> ended up with "a" turned to "c" instead of "b".
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, this is a pretty serious bug; but perhaps I've
> missed something (including, who knows, that this bug has already been
> spotted)?
> 
> Best,
> Paul


From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 21 13:02:45 2012
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:02:45 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Support extensible accents
In-Reply-To: <20120220223007.GA17722@khaled-laptop>
References: <20120220223007.GA17722@khaled-laptop>
Message-ID: <AFA99659-818F-43C8-9E7C-BDB298FE6819@gmail.com>

Hi Khaled,

Very exciting to see that you're fixing/improving things in this area! I'll try to have a look at your patches soon and let you know if I see any concerns, but it sounds like what you're doing is great. We should aim to incorporate these improvements for the TL'12 release, if possible. (Karl, do you have a deadline in mind?)

Thanks,

JK

On 20 Feb 2012, at 22:30, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Currently XeTeX does not support extensible accents (just like TeX)
> which leads unicode-math to doing some ugly hacks to support \overbrace
> etc. The attached patch provides support for extensible accents (by
> adapting some commented out code and taking some inspirations from
> luatex implementation).
> 
> The output is nearly identical to luatex's except that luatex takes
> account of \delimiterfactor and \delimitershortfall when calculating the
> desired width of the accent, but luatex behaviour does not confirm to
> Office implementation nor \overbrace behaviour in plain tex, so I didn't
> follow it.
> 
> The second patch does some cosmetic changes to better reflect the new
> job of build_opentype_assembly(). Both patches are to be applied after
> the previous ones.
> 
> Regards,
> Khaled
> <accent_ext.diff><accent_ext.tex><accent_ext.pdf><accent_ext2.diff>



From zappathustra at free.fr  Tue Feb 21 13:07:26 2012
From: zappathustra at free.fr (Paul Isambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:07:26 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Bad handling of lookup subtables.
In-Reply-To: <FF189913-DC4C-45B6-9C71-1622AF39C9B0@gmail.com>
References: <20120221110203.A1C96A62B2@smtp3-g21.free.fr>
 <FF189913-DC4C-45B6-9C71-1622AF39C9B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120221120727.5D7FDA6239@smtp3-g21.free.fr>

Jonathan Kew <jfkthame at googlemail.com> a ?crit:
> 
> This sounds like http://bugs.icu-project.org/trac/ticket/7753

Indeed; I didn't know about the tracker. Sorry for the noise!

Best,
Paul


From ron at ronware.org  Tue Feb 21 11:58:29 2012
From: ron at ronware.org (Ron Aaron)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:58:29 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] How may I get colored background on text?
In-Reply-To: <76DA04DA-BE5D-4226-ADAE-F8E1D0BD9EBC@Web.DE>
References: <76DA04DA-BE5D-4226-ADAE-F8E1D0BD9EBC@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <4F4378D5.60906@ronware.org>

> See the dvipdfm documentation: texdoc dvipdfm.

That's not actually helpful.

There is no direct way to accomplish this; however, it is possible to
create a "rule" as big as an enclosing box, and position a text box over
it.  Example code:

\def\pdfliteral#1{\special{pdf: literal #1}}

\def\greyline#1{
    \setbox1\hbox to \hsize{#1}
    \setbox0\vbox{
        \pdfliteral{0.8 0.8 0.8 rg}
        \hrule width \hsize height \ht0 depth \dp0
        \pdfliteral{0 0 0 rg}
    }
    \wd0=0bp
    \hbox{\box0\box1}
}

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Feb 21 19:22:20 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:22:20 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How may I get colored background on text?
In-Reply-To: <4F4378D5.60906@ronware.org>
References: <76DA04DA-BE5D-4226-ADAE-F8E1D0BD9EBC@Web.DE>
 <4F4378D5.60906@ronware.org>
Message-ID: <5FB6C292-49DD-4CC5-B626-CBB7D7A6AC44@Web.DE>


Am 21.2.2012 um 11:58 schrieb Ron Aaron:

>> See the dvipdfm documentation: texdoc dvipdfm.
> 
> That's not actually helpful.

This document contains the basic \special's xdvipdfmx understands... XeLaTeX users have access to nice packages...

--
Greetings

  Pete

Spam will be a thing of the past in two years' time.
				? Bill Gates, Jan 2004



From news3 at nililand.de  Fri Feb 24 13:25:15 2012
From: news3 at nililand.de (Ulrike Fischer)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:25:15 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
Message-ID: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>


In tex.stackexchange there is currently a discussion about the
hyphenation of text "translittered" with the help of a mapping file.
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/45570/using-xetex-for-automatic-transliteration-of-cyrillic-letters

>From an old discussion on the mailing list
(http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/xetex/2005-November/002842.html) I got
the impression that mappings are "invisible" to the hyphenation
routine and so I would have expected the translittered text to be
hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
not hyphenated at all:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{Linux Libertine O}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{russian}
\newfontfamily{\transrussian}[Mapping=cyrillic-to-latin]{Linux
Libertine O}

\textwidth=3cm
\begin{document}


?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ???????????? ????????,
???????????????? ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????
?????????? ???????, ? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. ?????????? ??
??????????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ?? 1 ??????
2012 ???? ? 11 629 116 ???????), ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?
??????? ?????????? ??????? ????. ????? ?????????? ?????????
???????????.


\transrussian
?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ???????????? ????????,
???????????????? ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????
?????????? ???????, ? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. ?????????? ??
??????????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ?? 1 ??????
2012 ???? ? 11 629 116 ???????), ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?
??????? ?????????? ??????? ????. ????? ?????????? ?????????
???????????.


\end{document}


So how do font mappings affect hyphenation? Has the handling changed
since 2005?

-- 
Ulrike Fischer 


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 13:40:53 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:40:53 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyb+RRVfxURFBEz5sq1rqfguYNe4PdbWN2=vDWdDL3XxOg@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/24 Ulrike Fischer <news3 at nililand.de>:
>
> In tex.stackexchange there is currently a discussion about the
> hyphenation of text "translittered" with the help of a mapping file.
> http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/45570/using-xetex-for-automatic-transliteration-of-cyrillic-letters
>
> >From an old discussion on the mailing list
> (http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/xetex/2005-November/002842.html) I got
> the impression that mappings are "invisible" to the hyphenation
> routine and so I would have expected the translittered text to be
> hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
> not hyphenated at all:
>
Do the Russian hyphenation patterns contain patterns for the Latin
script? If not, the transliterated word will never be found in any
pattern.

> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{Linux Libertine O}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \setmainlanguage{russian}
> \newfontfamily{\transrussian}[Mapping=cyrillic-to-latin]{Linux
> Libertine O}
>
> \textwidth=3cm
> \begin{document}
>
>
> ?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ???????????? ????????,
> ???????????????? ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????
> ?????????? ???????, ? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. ?????????? ??
> ??????????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ?? 1 ??????
> 2012 ???? ? 11 629 116 ???????), ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?
> ??????? ?????????? ??????? ????. ????? ?????????? ?????????
> ???????????.
>
>
> \transrussian
> ?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????, ????? ???????????? ????????,
> ???????????????? ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????
> ?????????? ???????, ? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. ?????????? ??
> ??????????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ?? 1 ??????
> 2012 ???? ? 11 629 116 ???????), ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?
> ??????? ?????????? ??????? ????. ????? ?????????? ?????????
> ???????????.
>
>
> \end{document}
>
>
> So how do font mappings affect hyphenation? Has the handling changed
> since 2005?
>
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> Ulrike Fischer
>
>
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From arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org  Fri Feb 24 13:54:20 2012
From: arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org (Arthur Reutenauer)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:54:20 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
Message-ID: <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>

  I don?t know the technical answer to that question, but considering
what you say:

>                I would have expected the translittered text to be
> hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
> not hyphenated at all:

  That hints that the text is hyphenated after transliteration, using
Russian hyphenation rules, and these obviously don?t how to hyphenate
words written using the Latin script.  That doesn?t surprise me all that
much.  Indeed, transliteration rules could map sequences of characters
to one single character in the output (unlikely for Russian,
admittedly); and if the hyphenation patterns command a break in the
middle of the original characters, where should the transliterated text
be hyphenated?

  Actually, that situation isn?t so unlikely: I could imagine a
transliteration system that would for example map ???? to ?x? (as in
??????????), and it?s entirely possible to have a breakpoint between ???
and ??? (I didn?t check if that?s the case in the default patterns).

	Arthur

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 14:20:51 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:20:51 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/24 Arthur Reutenauer <arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org>:
> ?I don?t know the technical answer to that question, but considering
> what you say:
>
>> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I would have expected the translittered text to be
>> hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
>> not hyphenated at all:
>
> ?That hints that the text is hyphenated after transliteration, using

It should be so. I have not study the XeTeX source code but it seems
to me that TEXkit transliteration is applied after all macro
expansions were finished and the characters enter the horizontal list.
The horizontal list is then subject to paragraph breaking algorithm.
The characters after thransliteration will usually have different
width and even a number of characters may vary (? -> shch), thus the
paragraph breaking algorithm must use the transliterated text. One may
assume that it would be sufficient to take the cyrillic parrerns,
transliterate them and append. However, this will not work. Both ??
and ? are transliterated as ts, thus using this simplistic approach
tranliterated ? may be hyphenated in the middle. It will be necessary
to take the original list of hyphenated words, transliterate them and
feed this list to patgen.

> Russian hyphenation rules, and these obviously don?t how to hyphenate
> words written using the Latin script. ?That doesn?t surprise me all that
> much. ?Indeed, transliteration rules could map sequences of characters
> to one single character in the output (unlikely for Russian,
> admittedly); and if the hyphenation patterns command a break in the
> middle of the original characters, where should the transliterated text
> be hyphenated?
>
> ?Actually, that situation isn?t so unlikely: I could imagine a
> transliteration system that would for example map ???? to ?x? (as in
> ??????????), and it?s entirely possible to have a breakpoint between ???
> and ??? (I didn?t check if that?s the case in the default patterns).
>
> ? ? ? ?Arthur
>
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From news3 at nililand.de  Fri Feb 24 14:22:15 2012
From: news3 at nililand.de (Ulrike Fischer)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:22:15 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <CAC1phyb+RRVfxURFBEz5sq1rqfguYNe4PdbWN2=vDWdDL3XxOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10o5af2sw7nmg.dlg@nililand.de>

Am Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:40:53 +0100 schrieb Zdenek Wagner:

>> From an old discussion on the mailing list
>> (http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/xetex/2005-November/002842.html) I got
>> the impression that mappings are "invisible" to the hyphenation
>> routine and so I would have expected the translittered text to be
>> hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
>> not hyphenated at all:

> Do the Russian hyphenation patterns contain patterns for the Latin
> script? 

Well I would say, obviously not. 

But my question is if "...font mappings (unlike traditional
TFM-based ligatures) are completely invisible to TeX's line-breaking
process" how comes that the hyphenation routine *knows* that chars
from a latin script are involved? Why doesn't it handle the
hyphenation with the input chars?


-- 
Ulrike Fischer 


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 14:32:48 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:32:48 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <10o5af2sw7nmg.dlg@nililand.de>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <CAC1phyb+RRVfxURFBEz5sq1rqfguYNe4PdbWN2=vDWdDL3XxOg@mail.gmail.com>
 <10o5af2sw7nmg.dlg@nililand.de>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyYFa3fNzEs2yVviyA7Qhqmvt4dgWdABL3pUxJZ2xBJntA@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/24 Ulrike Fischer <news3 at nililand.de>:
> Am Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:40:53 +0100 schrieb Zdenek Wagner:
>
>>> From an old discussion on the mailing list
>>> (http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/xetex/2005-November/002842.html) I got
>>> the impression that mappings are "invisible" to the hyphenation
>>> routine and so I would have expected the translittered text to be
>>> hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
>>> not hyphenated at all:
>
>> Do the Russian hyphenation patterns contain patterns for the Latin
>> script?
>
> Well I would say, obviously not.
>
> But my question is if "...font mappings (unlike traditional
> TFM-based ligatures) are completely invisible to TeX's line-breaking
> process" how comes that the hyphenation routine *knows* that chars
> from a latin script are involved? Why doesn't it handle the
> hyphenation with the input chars?
>
See my previous message. The characters are transliterated when they
enter horizontal list and the resulting horizontal list is sent to the
paragraph breaking algorithm. At that time TeX sees the Latin
characters and does not know that they were entered as cyrillic.

One unrelated note: since the mapping is applied after macro
expansion, you can store the text in a macro and typeset it twice in
two ways. the following will therefore work:

\def\sometext{?????? ? ??????? ?????????? ?????????, ?????
???????????? ????????,
???????????????? ????? ???????????? ???????????? ?????? ? ?????
?????????? ???????, ? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????. ?????????? ??
??????????? ????????? ????? ?????? ? ?????? (????????? ?? 1 ??????
2012 ???? ? 11 629 116 ???????), ?? ????? ?????????? ?????? ?
??????? ?????????? ??????? ????. ????? ?????????? ?????????
???????????.}

\sometext

\transrussian \sometext

>
> --
> Ulrike Fischer
>
>
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From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Fri Feb 24 15:18:49 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:18:49 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <10o5af2sw7nmg.dlg@nililand.de>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <CAC1phyb+RRVfxURFBEz5sq1rqfguYNe4PdbWN2=vDWdDL3XxOg@mail.gmail.com>
 <10o5af2sw7nmg.dlg@nililand.de>
Message-ID: <20120224141849.GA16886@khaled-laptop>

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 02:22:15PM +0100, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:40:53 +0100 schrieb Zdenek Wagner:
> 
> >> From an old discussion on the mailing list
> >> (http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/xetex/2005-November/002842.html) I got
> >> the impression that mappings are "invisible" to the hyphenation
> >> routine and so I would have expected the translittered text to be
> >> hyphenated according the original russian rules but actually it is
> >> not hyphenated at all:
> 
> > Do the Russian hyphenation patterns contain patterns for the Latin
> > script? 
> 
> Well I would say, obviously not. 
> 
> But my question is if "...font mappings (unlike traditional
> TFM-based ligatures) are completely invisible to TeX's line-breaking
> process"

I understand this as that the line-breaking process sees the result of
the mapping with no reference to its origin, so a ?b? input by the user
and a ?b? resulting from a mapping are both identical.

Regards,
 Khaled

From arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org  Fri Feb 24 15:25:37 2012
From: arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org (Arthur Reutenauer)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:37 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120224142537.GX17068@phare.normalesup.org>

> It should be so.

  I agree with that, that?s the most sensible behaviour.  What Ulrike
needs are hyphenation patterns suited to the particular transliteration
scheme she?s using.  Depending on the transliteration, the patterns for
other Slavonic languages could be useful; for ISO 9, I expect that Czech
or Slovak patterns would actually give a good result.  But if it?s a
scheme that uses things like ?sh? and ?zh? for ??? and ???, there really
needs to be special rules for these clusters (I expect that Czech
patterns would break between ?z? and ?h??in most cases!).

	Arthur

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 15:42:21 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:42:21 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <20120224142537.GX17068@phare.normalesup.org>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120224142537.GX17068@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyZJfkmHdoxEiK7Z7wT0KCwoVase04QW7EVsPs1dv8YCmw@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/24 Arthur Reutenauer <arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org>:
>> It should be so.
>
> ?I agree with that, that?s the most sensible behaviour. ?What Ulrike
> needs are hyphenation patterns suited to the particular transliteration
> scheme she?s using. ?Depending on the transliteration, the patterns for
> other Slavonic languages could be useful; for ISO 9, I expect that Czech
> or Slovak patterns would actually give a good result. ?But if it?s a
> scheme that uses things like ?sh? and ?zh? for ??? and ???, there really
> needs to be special rules for these clusters (I expect that Czech
> patterns would break between ?z? and ?h??in most cases!).
>
Yes, Czech and Slovak rules allow hyphenation between consonants with
an exception of ch which is considered a single character. Moreover,
Russian adjectives often end with -??????? / -??????? / -??????? but
the Czech equivalent is -ick? / -ick? / -ick?. In Russian ? is olways
followed by ? (not ?) but in Czech and Slovak k is always followed by
y (some words of foreign origin are exceptions). In Czech and Slovak
long vowels are marked (similarly as in Indian languages, in Arabic,
Urdu, Farsi) but not in Russian. I am afraid that there are too many
differences that t will not work.

> ? ? ? ?Arthur
>
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From news3 at nililand.de  Fri Feb 24 16:15:11 2012
From: news3 at nililand.de (Ulrike Fischer)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:15:11 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120224142537.GX17068@phare.normalesup.org>
Message-ID: <d2u7pcrqv4bb.dlg@nililand.de>

Am Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:37 +0000 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer:

>  I agree with that, that?s the most sensible behaviour.  What Ulrike
> needs are hyphenation patterns suited to the particular transliteration
> scheme she?s using.

I "need" nothing ;-). I even can't read russian (and I hope the text
doesn't say something indecent). But "translittered" hyphenation
patters could be interesting for the OP on tex.stackexchange.

I personally was only curious when I saw in the answer of egreg the
hyphenation remark, did some research and now I'm curious about the
discrepency between the actual behaviour and the statements of
Jonathan in the old thread. Did I misunderstood the statements or
did the behaviour of xetex change in between?


-- 
Ulrike Fischer 


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 17:01:18 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:01:18 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <d2u7pcrqv4bb.dlg@nililand.de>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120224142537.GX17068@phare.normalesup.org>
 <d2u7pcrqv4bb.dlg@nililand.de>
Message-ID: <CAC1phybsZE=zCLf05t=D_0w4M=KXgU7qQnNzWk-HAi4ABXO56Q@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/24 Ulrike Fischer <news3 at nililand.de>:
> Am Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:25:37 +0000 schrieb Arthur Reutenauer:
>
>>  I agree with that, that's the most sensible behaviour.  What Ulrike
>> needs are hyphenation patterns suited to the particular transliteration
>> scheme she's using.
>
> I "need" nothing ;-). I even can't read russian (and I hope the text
> doesn't say something indecent). But "translittered" hyphenation
> patters could be interesting for the OP on tex.stackexchange.
>
> I personally was only curious when I saw in the answer of egreg the
> hyphenation remark, did some research and now I'm curious about the
> discrepency between the actual behaviour and the statements of
> Jonathan in the old thread. Did I misunderstood the statements or
> did the behaviour of xetex change in between?
>
I think that Jonathan has different kind of mapping in mind. First
macros are expanded (active characters will be expanded at the very
same time). When the expanded material goes to the horizontal list,
TECkit map is applied. TeX still sees characters f and i, not a fi
ligature. When searching feasible points for line breaks, TeX measures
the widths using the actual font, thus ligatures and kernings are
applied according to the information from tfm or from GSUB and GPOS
tables. TeX measures widths of certain pieces that were built before
the ligatures were formed and kerning inserted. Of course, you can
(heoreticaly) build "fi" ligature by applying a rule in a TECkit map.
It will then affect hyphenation.
>
> --
> Ulrike Fischer
>
>
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From P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk  Fri Feb 24 17:23:44 2012
From: P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk (Philip TAYLOR)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:23:44 +0000
Subject: [XeTeX] How do mapping files affect hyphenation?
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phybsZE=zCLf05t=D_0w4M=KXgU7qQnNzWk-HAi4ABXO56Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <gpbqijj55nad.dlg@nililand.de>
 <20120224125420.GW17068@phare.normalesup.org>
 <CAC1phybKCUoc=fNKTZyEM5KJ-tun+uTPAR40mwRh6DNhn2ofmA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120224142537.GX17068@phare.normalesup.org> <d2u7pcrqv4bb.dlg@nililand.de>
 <CAC1phybsZE=zCLf05t=D_0w4M=KXgU7qQnNzWk-HAi4ABXO56Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F47B990.9050409@Rhul.Ac.Uk>




> I think that Jonathan has different kind of mapping in mind. First
> macros are expanded (active characters will be expanded at the very
> same time).

And expandable primitives (such as \if) will also
be expanded at this time.

Philip Taylor

From liesdiedatei at googlemail.com  Sat Feb 25 20:49:01 2012
From: liesdiedatei at googlemail.com (Tobias Schoel)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:49:01 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning  typesetting arabic text
Message-ID: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>

Hello to all,

finally I have some Arabic text to typeset. Usually I skip the 
discussion on this list, if non-latin scripts are involved, but now I 
need your help.

The following minimal example:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
\setromanfont{TeX Gyre Pagella}
\newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{arabic}
\setotherlanguage{english}

\begin{document}
\begin{Arabic}?????? ??? ???? ???? ? ????? ???????\end{Arabic}

\begin{english}Hello, World!\end{english}

\end{document}

Why do I have to define \arabicfont by myself? Intuitively, this should 
be done by fontspec if it detects, that the main font Amiri includes the 
Arabic script. Which it does.

If I comment it out, polyglossia complains, that the roman main font 
(Amiri) does not support Arabic. Which it does.

This seems to be a little weird.

Finally, a little question concerning Arabic typesetting in General:

The above line in Arabic shall be a headline for instructions, so it 
should be heavily emphasised. In Latin script, I would typeset it larger 
and with a bold face. In Arabic, this seems to be wrong as the usual 
Arabic fonts don't include bold faces. So how is heavy and attention 
drawing emphasis done in Arabic script?

Thanks

Toscho
-- 
Tobias Schoel
Europaschule Kairo
www.europaschulekairo.com

From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sat Feb 25 21:06:26 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:06:26 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyYhJRQmh9heNt8ifyYmoC4_-xAJAGhhni8NWymKRRAtRQ@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/25 Tobias Schoel <liesdiedatei at googlemail.com>:
> Hello to all,
>
> finally I have some Arabic text to typeset. Usually I skip the discussion on
> this list, if non-latin scripts are involved, but now I need your help.
>
> The following minimal example:
>
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
> \setromanfont{TeX Gyre Pagella}
> \newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \setmainlanguage{arabic}
> \setotherlanguage{english}
>
> \begin{document}
> \begin{Arabic}?????? ??? ???? ???? ? ????? ???????\end{Arabic}
>
> \begin{english}Hello, World!\end{english}
>
> \end{document}
>
> Why do I have to define \arabicfont by myself? Intuitively, this should be
> done by fontspec if it detects, that the main font Amiri includes the Arabic
> script. Which it does.
>
> If I comment it out, polyglossia complains, that the roman main font (Amiri)
> does not support Arabic. Which it does.
>
> This seems to be a little weird.
>
That's because your main font is TeX Gyre Pagella, \setmainfont and
\setromanfont are synonyms. Thus Amiri is not defined because you have
immediatelly redefined the main font.

> Finally, a little question concerning Arabic typesetting in General:
>
> The above line in Arabic shall be a headline for instructions, so it should
> be heavily emphasised. In Latin script, I would typeset it larger and with a
> bold face. In Arabic, this seems to be wrong as the usual Arabic fonts don't
> include bold faces. So how is heavy and attention drawing emphasis done in
> Arabic script?
>
I have only one printed book in the Arabic script, it is Urdu-Hindi
dictionary and the titles are typeset larger and in boldface.

> Thanks
>
> Toscho
> --
> Tobias Schoel
> Europaschule Kairo
> www.europaschulekairo.com
>
>
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From k.abdali at acm.org  Sat Feb 25 21:52:08 2012
From: k.abdali at acm.org (Kamal Abdali)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:52:08 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHpX9ZeOzthR8=wfRDbBLMhOP6xEY0+HR2OT6Hsz3j=enwHRYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 14:49, Tobias Schoel <liesdiedatei at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hello to all,

....
>
> Finally, a little question concerning Arabic typesetting in General:
>
> The above line in Arabic shall be a headline for instructions, so it
> should be heavily emphasised. In Latin script, I would typeset it larger
> and with a bold face. In Arabic, this seems to be wrong as the usual Arabic
> fonts don't include bold faces. So how is heavy and attention drawing
> emphasis done in Arabic script?
>
>
> The X Series 2 (http://wiki.irmug.com/index.php/X_Series_2) is a nice set
of fonts (with families named XB Zar, etc.) with bold, italic, and bold
italic variants. Some families also have the "oblique" face variant in
which the slanting direction is opposite to the one in italic.

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From khaledhosny at eglug.org  Sat Feb 25 23:01:29 2012
From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:01:29 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning  typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120225220129.GA15784@khaled-laptop>

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 09:49:01PM +0200, Tobias Schoel wrote:
> Hello to all,
> 
> finally I have some Arabic text to typeset. Usually I skip the
> discussion on this list, if non-latin scripts are involved, but now
> I need your help.
> 
> The following minimal example:
> 
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
> \setromanfont{TeX Gyre Pagella}
> \newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
> \usepackage{polyglossia}
> \setmainlanguage{arabic}
> \setotherlanguage{english}
> 
> \begin{document}
> \begin{Arabic}?????? ??? ???? ???? ? ????? ???????\end{Arabic}
> 
> \begin{english}Hello, World!\end{english}
> 
> \end{document}
> 
> Why do I have to define \arabicfont by myself? Intuitively, this
> should be done by fontspec if it detects, that the main font Amiri
> includes the Arabic script. Which it does.
> 
> If I comment it out, polyglossia complains, that the roman main font
> (Amiri) does not support Arabic. Which it does.
> 
> This seems to be a little weird.

\setmainfont and \setromanfont are synonyms (with the former being the
old and deprecated one, apparently for good reason), so your main font
is TeX Gyre Pagella. \arabicfont is used by polyglossia inside Aribic
environment(s), if you want to use the same font for Arabic and English
you need not to define it (but current version of Amiri lack Latin
coverage).

> Finally, a little question concerning Arabic typesetting in General:
> 
> The above line in Arabic shall be a headline for instructions, so it
> should be heavily emphasised. In Latin script, I would typeset it
> larger and with a bold face. In Arabic, this seems to be wrong as
> the usual Arabic fonts don't include bold faces. So how is heavy and
> attention drawing emphasis done in Arabic script?

In traditional Arabic printing, either a larger version of the regular
typeface will be used or an entirely different typeface, often of
heavier design and sometimes of different style (e.g. a Riqaa or even
Nastaliq). Today bold is quite acceptable (but though Amiri have a bold
font, it is not as polished as the regular one, yet). Someday, I'll have
an Amiri Display optical variant :)

Regards,
 Khaled

From liesdiedatei at googlemail.com  Sun Feb 26 15:37:11 2012
From: liesdiedatei at googlemail.com (Tobias Schoel)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:37:11 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning  typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <20120225220129.GA15784@khaled-laptop>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com> <20120225220129.GA15784@khaled-laptop>
Message-ID: <4F4A4397.4030900@gmail.com>

Thanks for your help, Zdenek, Kamal and Khaled.

On 26.02.2012 00:01, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 09:49:01PM +0200, Tobias Schoel wrote:
>> Hello to all,
>>
>> finally I have some Arabic text to typeset. Usually I skip the
>> discussion on this list, if non-latin scripts are involved, but now
>> I need your help.
>>
>> The following minimal example:
>>
>> \documentclass{article}
>> \usepackage{fontspec}
>> \setmainfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
>> \setromanfont{TeX Gyre Pagella}
>> \newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic]{Amiri}
>> \usepackage{polyglossia}
>> \setmainlanguage{arabic}
>> \setotherlanguage{english}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> \begin{Arabic}?????? ??? ???? ???? ? ????? ???????\end{Arabic}
>>
>> \begin{english}Hello, World!\end{english}
>>
>> \end{document}
>>
>> Why do I have to define \arabicfont by myself? Intuitively, this
>> should be done by fontspec if it detects, that the main font Amiri
>> includes the Arabic script. Which it does.
>>
>> If I comment it out, polyglossia complains, that the roman main font
>> (Amiri) does not support Arabic. Which it does.
>>
>> This seems to be a little weird.
>
> \setmainfont and \setromanfont are synonyms (with the former being the
> old and deprecated one, apparently for good reason), so your main font
> is TeX Gyre Pagella. \arabicfont is used by polyglossia inside Aribic
> environment(s), if you want to use the same font for Arabic and English
> you need not to define it (but current version of Amiri lack Latin
> coverage).
So how should I tell fontspec (and polyglossia?) to usually write in 
Arabic using Amiri and only use TeX Gyre Pagella for Latin Script resp. 
English Language?

>
>> Finally, a little question concerning Arabic typesetting in General:
>>
>> The above line in Arabic shall be a headline for instructions, so it
>> should be heavily emphasised. In Latin script, I would typeset it
>> larger and with a bold face. In Arabic, this seems to be wrong as
>> the usual Arabic fonts don't include bold faces. So how is heavy and
>> attention drawing emphasis done in Arabic script?
>
> In traditional Arabic printing, either a larger version of the regular
> typeface will be used or an entirely different typeface, often of
> heavier design and sometimes of different style (e.g. a Riqaa or even
> Nastaliq). Today bold is quite acceptable (but though Amiri have a bold
> font, it is not as polished as the regular one, yet). Someday, I'll have
> an Amiri Display optical variant :)
In my Texlive2011 installation, Amiri is present, but fc-list only lists 
a regular variant and \bfseries doesn't do anything on Amiri.

Cocerning the X Series 2: Why isn't it shipped with Texlive?

bye

Toscho


From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 16:13:27 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:13:27 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <4F4A4397.4030900@gmail.com>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com> <20120225220129.GA15784@khaled-laptop>
 <4F4A4397.4030900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC1phyYRdSGMfL_eEUL0vWaBu5JM41bjpBBaWP7VeuN4FRx34g@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/26 Tobias Schoel <liesdiedatei at googlemail.com>:
> Thanks for your help, Zdenek, Kamal and Khaled.
>
> ...
>
> So how should I tell fontspec (and polyglossia?) to usually write in Arabic
> using Amiri and only use TeX Gyre Pagella for Latin Script resp. English
> Language?
>
e.g. by defining \arabicfont.
>
>>
>>> Finally, a little question concerning Arabic typesetting in General:
>>>
>>> The above line in Arabic shall be a headline for instructions, so it
>>> should be heavily emphasised. In Latin script, I would typeset it
>>> larger and with a bold face. In Arabic, this seems to be wrong as
>>> the usual Arabic fonts don't include bold faces. So how is heavy and
>>> attention drawing emphasis done in Arabic script?
>>
>>
>> In traditional Arabic printing, either a larger version of the regular
>> typeface will be used or an entirely different typeface, often of
>> heavier design and sometimes of different style (e.g. a Riqaa or even
>> Nastaliq). Today bold is quite acceptable (but though Amiri have a bold
>> font, it is not as polished as the regular one, yet). Someday, I'll have
>> an Amiri Display optical variant :)
>
> In my Texlive2011 installation, Amiri is present, but fc-list only lists a
> regular variant and \bfseries doesn't do anything on Amiri.
>
In my TL 2011:

ls /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/amiri/
amiri-boldslanted.ttf  amiri-bold.ttf  amiri-regular.ttf  amiri-slanted.ttf


> Cocerning the X Series 2: Why isn't it shipped with Texlive?
>
Obviously because they are not on CTAN. This is one of the basic
rules. I hope that SIL font license is free enough.

> bye
>
> Toscho
>
>
>
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sun Feb 26 20:34:12 2012
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:34:12 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning  typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <4F4A4397.4030900@gmail.com>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
 <20120225220129.GA15784@khaled-laptop> <4F4A4397.4030900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <585574BD-7C17-45A6-8177-F9F789070B0B@Web.DE>


Am 26.2.2012 um 15:37 schrieb Tobias Schoel:

> In my Texlive2011 installation, Amiri is present, but fc-list only lists a regular variant and \bfseries doesn't do anything on Amiri.

Try to run

	fc-cache -v /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/amiri

or

	fc-cache -v -r

if still no change and check the contents of ~/.fonts.conf! (The fonts can be fc-listed.)

--
Mit friedvollen Gr??en

  Pete

Und ein Geltendmachen eines Verfassungsrechtes ist deshalb - da unn?tige Beamtinnenbesch?ftigung - geb?hrenpflichtig.



From liesdiedatei at googlemail.com  Mon Feb 27 07:49:04 2012
From: liesdiedatei at googlemail.com (Tobias Schoel)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:49:04 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Problems beginning  typesetting arabic text
In-Reply-To: <585574BD-7C17-45A6-8177-F9F789070B0B@Web.DE>
References: <4F493B2D.6080303@gmail.com>
 <20120225220129.GA15784@khaled-laptop> <4F4A4397.4030900@gmail.com>
 <585574BD-7C17-45A6-8177-F9F789070B0B@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <4F4B2760.1020107@gmail.com>

After updating Texlive, the bold version was present.

On 26.02.2012 21:34, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> Am 26.2.2012 um 15:37 schrieb Tobias Schoel:
>
>> In my Texlive2011 installation, Amiri is present, but fc-list only lists a regular variant and \bfseries doesn't do anything on Amiri.
>
> Try to run
>
> 	fc-cache -v /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/fonts/truetype/public/amiri
>
> or
>
> 	fc-cache -v -r
>
> if still no change and check the contents of ~/.fonts.conf! (The fonts can be fc-listed.)
>
> --
> Mit friedvollen Gr??en
>
>    Pete
>
> Und ein Geltendmachen eines Verfassungsrechtes ist deshalb - da unn?tige Beamtinnenbesch?ftigung - geb?hrenpflichtig.
>

From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Tue Feb 28 22:44:26 2012
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:44:26 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Producer entry in info dict
Message-ID: <20120228214426.GA21310@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

Hello,

the entries in the information dictionary can be controlled
at TeX macro level except for /Producer:

% xetex --ini
\catcode`\{=1
\catcode`\}=2
\shipout\hbox{%
  \special{pdf:docinfo<<%
    /Producer(MyProducer)%
    /Creator(MyCreator)%
    /Author(MyAuthor)%
    /Title(MyTitle)%
    /Subject(MySubject)%
    /Keywords(MyKeywords)%
    /CreationDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
    /ModDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
    /MyKey(MyValue)%
  >>}%
}
\csname @@end\endcsname\end

The entry for /Producer gets overwritten by xdvipdfmx,
e.g. "xdvipdfmx (0.7.8)". Result:

* Bug-reports/hyperref: pdfproducer={XeTeX ...} does not work.
* hyperxmp is at a loss, it *MUST* know the value of the
  /Producer, because the setting in the XMP part has to be
  the same.

Please fix this issue in xdvipdfmx.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From ross.moore at mq.edu.au  Tue Feb 28 23:57:04 2012
From: ross.moore at mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:57:04 +1100
Subject: [XeTeX] Producer entry in info dict
In-Reply-To: <20120228214426.GA21310@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
References: <20120228214426.GA21310@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
Message-ID: <B50D450B-9397-4369-95F3-230F4EA99710@mq.edu.au>

Hi Heiko,

On 29/02/2012, at 8:44 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> the entries in the information dictionary can be controlled
> at TeX macro level except for /Producer:
> 
> % xetex --ini
> \catcode`\{=1
> \catcode`\}=2
> \shipout\hbox{%
>  \special{pdf:docinfo<<%
>    /Producer(MyProducer)%
>    /Creator(MyCreator)%
>    /Author(MyAuthor)%
>    /Title(MyTitle)%
>    /Subject(MySubject)%
>    /Keywords(MyKeywords)%
>    /CreationDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
>    /ModDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
>    /MyKey(MyValue)%
>>> }%
> }
> \csname @@end\endcsname\end

Surely  /Creator  is (La)TeX, Xe(La)TeX, ConTeXt, etc.
while   /Producer  is the PDF engine:  
   Ghostscript, xdvipdfmx, pstopdf, Acrobat Distiller, etc.
and  /Author  is the person who wrote the bulk of
the document source.

Why should it be reasonable that an author can set the
 /Producer and /Creator  arbitrarily within the document 
source?

The author chooses his workflow, and should pass this
information on to the appropriate package ...

> 
> The entry for /Producer gets overwritten by xdvipdfmx,
> e.g. "xdvipdfmx (0.7.8)". Result:
> 
> * Bug-reports/hyperref: pdfproducer={XeTeX ...} does not work.
> * hyperxmp is at a loss, it *MUST* know the value of the
>  /Producer, because the setting in the XMP part has to be
>  the same.

  ... via options to  \usepackage[...]{hyperxmp}

and the package should be kept up-to-date with the exact strings
that will be produced by the different processing engines, in all 
their existing versions.


I know that one processor cannot know in advance how its output
will be further processed, but that is not the point of XMP.

The person who is the author, or production editor, *does* know 
this information (at least in principle) and should ensure that 
this gets encoded properly within the final PDF --- if complete 
validation against an existing standard is of any importance.


> 
> Please fix this issue in xdvipdfmx.

I'm not sure that it is  xdvipdfmx's duty to handle this
issue; though see my final words below.

My initial thoughts are as follows:

The nature and purpose of XMP  is such that an author
cannot just  \usepackage{hyperxmp}   with no extra options,
and expect the XMP information to be created automagically,
correctly in every detail.


The alternative is to have an auxiliary file that contains
macro definitions, to be used both in the  docinfo  and XMP.
This auxiliary file needs to be created either manually,
or automatically extracting the information from a PDF,
first time it is created.

With PDF/A and PDF/UA the PDF file is not supposed to be 
compressed, so automating this is not so hard --- though 
it may well be platform-dependent.
(Not sure about other flavours of PDF/??? .)


> 
> Yours sincerely
>  Heiko Oberdiek


BTW, what about the  /CreationDate  and  /ModificationDate ?
Surely these should be set automatically too ?
Doesn't  pdfTeX  have the means to do this?

Of course when it is a 2-engine process, such as
  XeTeX + xdvipdfmx 
then which time should be encoded here?
XeTeX cannot know the time at which  xdvipdfmx  will do 
its work.  Maybe it can extrapolate ahead, from information
saved from the previous run ?


So maybe what is really desirable is for  xdvipdfmx  to write
out an auxiliary file containing all relevant metadata, including
timings, that can then be used by the next run of  XeLaTeX .
A  \special{ ... }  command could be used to trigger the need
for such an action to be performed.

Is that what you had in mind?



Hope this helps,

	Ross

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From zdenek.wagner at gmail.com  Wed Feb 29 00:24:11 2012
From: zdenek.wagner at gmail.com (Zdenek Wagner)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:24:11 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Producer entry in info dict
In-Reply-To: <B50D450B-9397-4369-95F3-230F4EA99710@mq.edu.au>
References: <20120228214426.GA21310@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <B50D450B-9397-4369-95F3-230F4EA99710@mq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAC1phybQaH-3KD_mtCxD2476VE87AdE3hYW7kLLz2TWkdGNk4g@mail.gmail.com>

2012/2/28 Ross Moore <ross.moore at mq.edu.au>:
> Hi Heiko,
>
> On 29/02/2012, at 8:44 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> ...
>
> BTW, what about the ?/CreationDate ?and ?/ModificationDate ?
> Surely these should be set automatically too ?
> Doesn't ?pdfTeX ?have the means to do this?
>
Both /CreationDate and /ModDate can be added by macros and both are
required by PDF/X. PdfTeX adds both automatically including the time
zone. Dvips adds none, thus my zwpagelayout package adds them if dvips
is used. TeX does not supply at a macro level the time zone, so that
the time zone is not used. Xdvipdfmx sets /CreationDate only and
zwpagelayout sets /ModDate. The problem is that /CreationDate set by
xdvipdfmx contains time zone while /ModDate set by the macros does
not. Time information without a time zone is considered UTC. Depending
on the user's time zone upon PDF/X validation it may be reported that
the file was modified before it was created.

-- 
Zden?k Wagner
http://hroch486.icpf.cas.cz/wagner/
http://icebearsoft.euweb.cz


From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 01:31:39 2012
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:31:39 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Producer entry in info dict
In-Reply-To: <B50D450B-9397-4369-95F3-230F4EA99710@mq.edu.au>
References: <20120228214426.GA21310@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <B50D450B-9397-4369-95F3-230F4EA99710@mq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20120229003139.GA22796@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 09:57:04AM +1100, Ross Moore wrote:

> On 29/02/2012, at 8:44 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > the entries in the information dictionary can be controlled
> > at TeX macro level except for /Producer:
> > 
> > % xetex --ini
> > \catcode`\{=1
> > \catcode`\}=2
> > \shipout\hbox{%
> >  \special{pdf:docinfo<<%
> >    /Producer(MyProducer)%
> >    /Creator(MyCreator)%
> >    /Author(MyAuthor)%
> >    /Title(MyTitle)%
> >    /Subject(MySubject)%
> >    /Keywords(MyKeywords)%
> >    /CreationDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
> >    /ModDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
> >    /MyKey(MyValue)%
> >>> }%
> > }
> > \csname @@end\endcsname\end
> 
> Surely  /Creator  is (La)TeX, Xe(La)TeX, ConTeXt, etc.
> while   /Producer  is the PDF engine:  
>    Ghostscript, xdvipdfmx, pstopdf, Acrobat Distiller, etc.
> and  /Author  is the person who wrote the bulk of
> the document source.
> 
> Why should it be reasonable that an author can set the
>  /Producer and /Creator  arbitrarily within the document 
> source?

What's wrong with meantioning "XeTeX", for example?

Another reason: PDF/A requires that the information
date are duplicated in the XMP part. If a package
like hyperxmp tries to write the data as XMP, then
it has no chance to know the /Producer value.

> The author chooses his workflow, and should pass this
> information on to the appropriate package ...

He can't.

> > The entry for /Producer gets overwritten by xdvipdfmx,
> > e.g. "xdvipdfmx (0.7.8)". Result:
> > 
> > * Bug-reports/hyperref: pdfproducer={XeTeX ...} does not work.
> > * hyperxmp is at a loss, it *MUST* know the value of the
> >  /Producer, because the setting in the XMP part has to be
> >  the same.
> 
>   ... via options to  \usepackage[...]{hyperxmp}
> 
> and the package should be kept up-to-date with the exact strings
> that will be produced by the different processing engines, in all 
> their existing versions.

That's needs implementing clearvoyance. The (x)dvipdfm(x) driver
is running *AFTER* the TeX processing part.

> I know that one processor cannot know in advance how its output
> will be further processed, but that is not the point of XMP.

Then the (x)dvipdfm(x) driver must also fix the producer entry
in the XMP part. Changing it only in the information dictionary
violates a requirement for PDF/A.

> The person who is the author, or production editor, *does* know 
> this information (at least in principle) and should ensure that 
> this gets encoded properly within the final PDF

Yes, there are users that detect that the intended producer entry
is *NOT* the one that gets written in the final PDF and writing
bug reports.

> --- if complete 
> validation against an existing standard is of any importance.

Violation against PDF/A, for instance.

> > Please fix this issue in xdvipdfmx.
> 
> I'm not sure that it is  xdvipdfmx's duty to handle this
> issue; though see my final words below.
> 
> My initial thoughts are as follows:
> 
> The nature and purpose of XMP  is such that an author
> cannot just  \usepackage{hyperxmp}   with no extra options,
> and expect the XMP information to be created automagically,
> correctly in every detail.

There is no reason that the trivial stuff (pdf information
entries) should not be working.

> The alternative is to have an auxiliary file that contains
> macro definitions, to be used both in the  docinfo  and XMP.
> This auxiliary file needs to be created either manually,
> or automatically extracting the information from a PDF,
> first time it is created.

I don't see any reliable way.

Even if you say good bye to TeX and do the stuff by
a program that fixes the PDF file afterwords, there
is no warning or hint that the PDF file generated
by XeTeX is wrong.

You can't expect from a user that he knows how to get
the version information of xdvipdfmx. He calls XeTeX
and usually does not even know that he is indirectly
running xdvipdfmx. Also the producer strings change
from driver to driver and from version to version.
Also several instances of a driver can be installed:
There is no way to catch the difference between
  xetex -output-driver=xdvipmdfx078
and
  xetex -output-driver=xdvipdfmx100
at TeX macro level.

> With PDF/A and PDF/UA the PDF file is not supposed to be 
> compressed,

s/PDF file/PDF information dictionary/;

With XeTeX you need a command line like:
  xetex -outputdriver='xdvipdfmx -V4'

With pdfTeX/LuaTeX the necessary settings can be done at
macro level and therefore put in a package without bothering
the user with low level stuff.

> BTW, what about the  /CreationDate  and  /ModificationDate ?
> Surely these should be set automatically too ?

pdfTeX:
  /CreationDate and /ModDate are set automatically
  unless they are specified by the user.
(x)dvipdfmx:
  /CreationDate is set automatically, /ModDate is not set
  unless they are specified by the user (see test file).

The same would be nice for /Producer, easy to implement
and document.

> Doesn't  pdfTeX  have the means to do this?

Works fine. Without setting the date of the pdfTeX run
is used for /CreationDate and /ModDate. But both
can be overwritten:

\catcode`\{=1
\catcode`\}=2
\pdfoutput=1
\pdfobjcompresslevel=0
\pdfinfo{%
  /CreationDate(D:20120101000000Z)%
  /ModDate(D:20120202000000Z)%
}
\shipout\hbox{}
\csname @@end\endcsname\end

> Of course when it is a 2-engine process, such as
>   XeTeX + xdvipdfmx 
> then which time should be encoded here?

And there are situations where the time needs to be known
at the TeX macro level.

> XeTeX cannot know the time at which  xdvipdfmx  will do 
> its work.  Maybe it can extrapolate ahead, from information
> saved from the previous run ?

The current behaviour seems fine to me. If nothing is
specified, the /CreationDate is set automatically.
Otherwise, /CreationDate and/or /ModDate can be
set by \special{pdf:docinfo ...}.

> So maybe what is really desirable is for  xdvipdfmx  to write
> out an auxiliary file containing all relevant metadata, including
> timings, that can then be used by the next run of  XeLaTeX .
> A  \special{ ... }  command could be used to trigger the need
> for such an action to be performed.
> 
> Is that what you had in mind?

I don't see a need to makes things complicate.
For example, if /Producer behaves like /CreationDate,
then the problem is solved.
  Of course, such flexibility allows the user to lie
and putting "Word" or worse in the producer entry.
But if a user wants to lie, then it can be done anyway
(see Ross' PDF postprocessing suggestion). However,
without such flexibility legitimate usages of
producer settings like "XeTeX ..." cannot be set
in the TeX file. If xdvipdfmx wants to be in the
producer entry, then I can change the default in
hyperref to something like "XeTeX 0.9997/xdvipdfmx"
if XeTeX also provides the output driver name
(e.g. \XeTeXoutputdriver) that is known to XeTeX.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 01:36:14 2012
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:36:14 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Producer entry in info dict
In-Reply-To: <CAC1phybQaH-3KD_mtCxD2476VE87AdE3hYW7kLLz2TWkdGNk4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120228214426.GA21310@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <B50D450B-9397-4369-95F3-230F4EA99710@mq.edu.au>
 <CAC1phybQaH-3KD_mtCxD2476VE87AdE3hYW7kLLz2TWkdGNk4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120229003614.GA23178@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:24:11AM +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote:

> 2012/2/28 Ross Moore <ross.moore at mq.edu.au>:
> >
> > On 29/02/2012, at 8:44 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote:
> >
> >> ...
> >
> > BTW, what about the ?/CreationDate ?and ?/ModificationDate ?
> > Surely these should be set automatically too ?
> > Doesn't ?pdfTeX ?have the means to do this?
> >
> Both /CreationDate and /ModDate can be added by macros and both are
> required by PDF/X. PdfTeX adds both automatically including the time
> zone. Dvips adds none, thus my zwpagelayout package adds them if dvips
> is used. TeX does not supply at a macro level the time zone, so that
> the time zone is not used. Xdvipdfmx sets /CreationDate only and
> zwpagelayout sets /ModDate. The problem is that /CreationDate set by
> xdvipdfmx contains time zone while /ModDate set by the macros does
> not. Time information without a time zone is considered UTC. Depending
> on the user's time zone upon PDF/X validation it may be reported that
> the file was modified before it was created.

This kind of trouble is the reason for pdfTeX's \pdfcreationdate.
It expands to the string that pdfTeX uses in the info dictionary
including the time zone. It can also be used in DVI mode.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Wed Feb 29 01:57:14 2012
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:57:14 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] (x)dvipdfm(x): Link rectangle problem
Message-ID: <20120229005713.GA23249@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

Hello,

the (x)dvipdfm(x) drivers fail if the link area contains
rules or images. See the following test file (can be used
with iniTeX):

\catcode`\{=1
\catcode`\}=2

\font\rm=cmr10   
\rm

\count0=1
\shipout\hbox{%
  \hbox to 0pt{%  
    \vrule width .1pt height 10mm\relax
    \vrule width 10mm height .1mm\relax
    \hss
  }%
  \special{pdf:bann<<%
    /Type/Annot
    /Subtype/Link
    /A<</S/Named/N/NextPage>>
  >>}%
  \vrule width 0mm height 10mm\relax
  \kern 10mm\relax
  \special{pdf:eann}% 
}

\count0=2
\shipout\hbox{%
  \hbox to 0pt{%
    \vrule width .1pt height 10mm\relax
    \vrule width 10mm height .1pt\relax
    \hss
  }% 
  \special{pdf:bann<<%
    /Type/Annot
    /Subtype/Link
    /A<</S/Named/N/PrevPage>>
  >>}%
  a%
  \vrule width 0mm height 10mm\relax
  \kern 10mm\relax
  b%
  \special{pdf:eann}%
}

\count0=3
\shipout\hbox{%
  \hbox to 0pt{% 
    \vrule width .1pt height 10mm\relax
    \vrule width 10mm height .1pt\relax
    \hss
  }%
  \special{pdf:bann<<%
    /Type/Annot
    /Subtype/Link
    /A<</S/Named/N/PrevPage>>
  >>}%
  \ifx\XeTeXpicfile\undefined
    \special{pdf:image width 10mm height 10mm (s1.png)}%
  \else
    \XeTeXpicfile s1.png width 10mm height 10mm\relax
  \fi
  \special{pdf:eann}% 
}

\csname @@end\endcsname\end


Instead of s1.png an existing image file should be used.
The test file test.tex is called, e.g.:

  xetex --ini --etex test
  tex --ini test && dvipdfmx test

The problems:
* Page 1: no link
* Page 2: the link area only covers the rectangle with "a" and "b".
  The rule in between is higher than "b".
* Page 3: xdvipmx only makes a tiny link spot at the left lower corner,
  no link with dvipdfmx.
BTW, setting the width of the invisible rules from 0pt to 1mm
  does not make a difference.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From donald.killian at helsinki.fi  Wed Feb 29 11:45:58 2012
From: donald.killian at helsinki.fi (Don Killian)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:45:58 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] selecting font variants
Message-ID: <4F4E01E6.7070105@helsinki.fi>

Hi!

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to select a font variant 
with fontspec?

I'm a linguist using the IPA, so I need to make a difference with a and 
?.  Unfortunately, with Charis SIL, the only font which fully supports 
the IPA with both bold and italics, the default for the font is that 
italicized a turns into ?.

In Openoffice, the solution to this is to pick the slant italics variant 
manually, e.g. the font name becomes: Charis SIL:1053=1, not just Charis 
SIL.  This appears to work in Xelatex as well, but then for some reason 
all my italics disappear.

Any suggestions?

Best,

Don
-- 
Don Killian
Researcher in African Linguistics
Department of Modern Languages
PL 24 (Unioninkatu 40)
FI-00014 University of Helsinki
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