From wspr81 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 08:52:42 2011
From: wspr81 at gmail.com (Will Robertson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:22:42 +0930
Subject: [XeTeX] How to mix math fonts?
References: <CALBOmsaM3QWVkMhFe8b5kCizh4LoZ9Lcyi3Oqj5xsFxXWTnOOw@mail.gmail.com>
 <04B9216B-81D1-4D3C-AD96-968E212F4402@gmail.com>
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 <kyz0k7xz31p3$.dlg@nililand.de> <4E1E2547.2050206@arcor.de>
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On 2011-07-14 16:33:59 +0930, Mojca Miklavec 
<mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com> said:

> Wow, Ulrik, Perfect!
> 
> I will simply use your version now (not trying to learn the syntax).
> Will - Maybe it makes sense to incorporate some of the changes into
> your original document?
> 
> Or at least create a second copy or style file with the purpose to
> compare different fonts?

Sorry for the slow progress, everyone. I've always meant to incorporate 
mathversion support into unicode-math but its scope grew larger than my 
allowable time... Ulrike's and Ulrik's code looks just the ticket.

I've saved your code for building into unicode-math proper; rather than 
a separate command, I suspect it'll use some sort of optional spec, 
such as:

    \setmathfont[version=bold]{...}

Many thanks for forging the way ahead!

Will

P.S.  Now that I write it, "forge the way ahead" seems like an odd turn 
of phrase.

P.P.S. I don't always follow this list very closely so anything useful 
like this please send to me directly if it seems worthwhile.

P.P.P.S. unicode-math was just updated in CTAN so it'll appear in tlmgr 
shortly, I suspect. I hope it should now work out of the box, but I've 
been wrong before. Sorry for any inconvenience with that over the last 
little while.



From martinsteer at maxi.net.au  Mon Aug  1 14:23:58 2011
From: martinsteer at maxi.net.au (Martin Steer)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:23:58 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] How to mix math fonts?
In-Reply-To: <j15ifp$48e$1@dough.gmane.org>
References: <CALBOmsaM3QWVkMhFe8b5kCizh4LoZ9Lcyi3Oqj5xsFxXWTnOOw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <kyz0k7xz31p3$.dlg@nililand.de> <4E1E2547.2050206@arcor.de>
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On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:22:42PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote:
>
>P.S.  Now that I write it, "forge the way ahead" seems like an odd 
>turn of phrase.

Perhaps the child of "forge ahead" and "show the way"?

From garzohugo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 00:29:35 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:29:35 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
Message-ID: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>

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Dear fellow XeTeXnicians,

TeX Live updated a couple of times over the weekend, and a document that
compiled fine on Friday now fails. The document is not complex, and now
I see almost everything I've written is uncompilable. These documents
use fontspec, polyglossia, soul and hyperref, but I believe that it's
the fontspec call on xparse that creates the problem. Somewhere
something has changed.

The error message is
> (/opt/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty 
> ! Undefined control sequence. <argument> \ExplFileName
> 
> l.57 ...e}{\ExplFileVersion}{\ExplFileDescription}

My XeTeX version is
> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
> (format=xelatex 2011.7.20)  1 AUG 2011 23:18

The TLM tells me that I'm using revision 22347 (ver. SVN 2321) of xpackages.

Is anyone else experiencing problems? Can anyone sort this out for me?
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From vafa018 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 00:35:59 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:35:59 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>

There was a similar problem reported a while ago. I do not know about xparse
internals as I do not maintain it but Joseph should know what is going on.
See also the similar issue which was reported in July:

http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2011-July/020840.html

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Dear fellow XeTeXnicians,
>
> TeX Live updated a couple of times over the weekend, and a document that
> compiled fine on Friday now fails. The document is not complex, and now
> I see almost everything I've written is uncompilable. These documents
> use fontspec, polyglossia, soul and hyperref, but I believe that it's
> the fontspec call on xparse that creates the problem. Somewhere
> something has changed.
>
> The error message is
> > (/opt/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty
> > ! Undefined control sequence. <argument> \ExplFileName
> >
> > l.57 ...e}{\ExplFileVersion}{\ExplFileDescription}
>
> My XeTeX version is
> > This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
> > (format=xelatex 2011.7.20)  1 AUG 2011 23:18
>
> The TLM tells me that I'm using revision 22347 (ver. SVN 2321) of
> xpackages.
>
> Is anyone else experiencing problems? Can anyone sort this out for me?
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From vafa018 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 00:41:37 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:41:37 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c_QWpCS6ARRg0n2Z3xuKOwXNBROTLGFTkBs8D2Bh+yp7g@mail.gmail.com>

Also did you update the all packages or you just updated some of packages?
It also maybe that xparse needs another package, you have now the new
version of xparse which uses new control sequences from another package, but
that package has not been updated yet so you have an old version of the
package and some of the commands in xparse are undefined!


Ok, I got it, see

(/opt/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/
>
> tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty


and

This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)

somehow you have two installation of TL (2009 and 2011) and that is what
causes the problem.



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Vafa Khalighi <vafa018 at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was a similar problem reported a while ago. I do not know about
> xparse internals as I do not maintain it but Joseph should know what is
> going on. See also the similar issue which was reported in July:
>
> http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2011-July/020840.html
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>> Dear fellow XeTeXnicians,
>>
>> TeX Live updated a couple of times over the weekend, and a document that
>> compiled fine on Friday now fails. The document is not complex, and now
>> I see almost everything I've written is uncompilable. These documents
>> use fontspec, polyglossia, soul and hyperref, but I believe that it's
>> the fontspec call on xparse that creates the problem. Somewhere
>> something has changed.
>>
>> The error message is
>> > (/opt/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty
>> > ! Undefined control sequence. <argument> \ExplFileName
>> >
>> > l.57 ...e}{\ExplFileVersion}{\ExplFileDescription}
>>
>> My XeTeX version is
>> > This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
>> > (format=xelatex 2011.7.20)  1 AUG 2011 23:18
>>
>> The TLM tells me that I'm using revision 22347 (ver. SVN 2321) of
>> xpackages.
>>
>> Is anyone else experiencing problems? Can anyone sort this out for me?
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Tue Aug  2 00:52:38 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:52:38 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA51D2A5-2A85-479F-B093-CC2E724C60C5@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 1, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Gareth Hughes wrote:

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> Dear fellow XeTeXnicians,
> 
> TeX Live updated a couple of times over the weekend, and a document that
> compiled fine on Friday now fails. The document is not complex, and now
> I see almost everything I've written is uncompilable. These documents
> use fontspec, polyglossia, soul and hyperref, but I believe that it's
> the fontspec call on xparse that creates the problem. Somewhere
> something has changed.
> 
> The error message is
>> (/opt/texlive/2009/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty 
>> ! Undefined control sequence. <argument> \ExplFileName
>> 
>> l.57 ...e}{\ExplFileVersion}{\ExplFileDescription}
> 
> My XeTeX version is
>> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
>> (format=xelatex 2011.7.20)  1 AUG 2011 23:18
> 
> The TLM tells me that I'm using revision 22347 (ver. SVN 2321) of xpackages.
> 
> Is anyone else experiencing problems? Can anyone sort this out for me?

Howdy,

What platform are you using? You seem to be using a xetex from TL-2011 but the xparse is coming form a TL-2009 distribution.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From garzohugo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 01:33:38 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:33:38 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <AA51D2A5-2A85-479F-B093-CC2E724C60C5@wideopenwest.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
 <AA51D2A5-2A85-479F-B093-CC2E724C60C5@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <4E3737D2.6060705@gmail.com>

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On 01/08/11 23:52, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> What platform are you using? You seem to be using a xetex from TL-2011 but the xparse is coming form a TL-2009 distribution.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)

No, that reference to 2009 is simply the name of the directory. My
initial installation of TeX Live was the 2009 version. The directory
name is still 2009, but the installation, by TeX Live Manager, is an
up-to-date TeX Live 2011. Perhaps it is too up-to-date! My xparse
documentation says that it was released 2011/07/02.

Gareth.

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From garzohugo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 01:51:21 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 00:51:21 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E373BF9.3030802@gmail.com>

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On 01/08/11 23:35, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
> There was a similar problem reported a while ago. I do not know about
> xparse internals as I do not maintain it but Joseph should know what is
> going on. See also the similar issue which was reported in July:
> 
> http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2011-July/020840.html

Now that's interesting. My system actually seems to have two copies of
xparse.sty on it. The paths and ids of each are

texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty (Id: xparse.dtx 2492
2011-07-02 13:40:38Z joseph)
texmf-dist/tex/latex/xpackages/xbase/xparse.sty (Id: xparse.dtx 2219
2011-04-08 21:07:45Z joseph)

However, the command "kpsewhich xparse.sty" only delivers the first of
these (isn't it supposed to deliver all occurrences?). The line that
caused problems in that old thread is corrected in the newer copy (first
copy), but not in the older one.

The thing is that it has only just stopped working now. So, a recent
update has created the problem.

Gareth.
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Tue Aug  2 02:19:21 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:19:21 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <4E373BF9.3030802@gmail.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E373BF9.3030802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF6D4572-1A61-478D-A7CF-DA366D534A91@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Gareth Hughes wrote:

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> On 01/08/11 23:35, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>> There was a similar problem reported a while ago. I do not know about
>> xparse internals as I do not maintain it but Joseph should know what is
>> going on. See also the similar issue which was reported in July:
>> 
>> http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2011-July/020840.html
> 
> Now that's interesting. My system actually seems to have two copies of
> xparse.sty on it. The paths and ids of each are
> 
> texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty (Id: xparse.dtx 2492
> 2011-07-02 13:40:38Z joseph)
> texmf-dist/tex/latex/xpackages/xbase/xparse.sty (Id: xparse.dtx 2219
> 2011-04-08 21:07:45Z joseph)
> 
> However, the command "kpsewhich xparse.sty" only delivers the first of
> these (isn't it supposed to deliver all occurrences?). The line that
> caused problems in that old thread is corrected in the newer copy (first
> copy), but not in the older one.
> 

Howdy,

No it delivers the path to the first one it picks up in the sequential path it searches. That way one in your personal texmf tree gets picked up before one that is in the other trees so a personal version ``wins''.

> The thing is that it has only just stopped working now. So, a recent
> update has created the problem.
> 
> Gareth.

Did you do the update using

tlmgr update --all

(prefixed by sudo if necessary on your system)? It appears that the experimental packages were re-organized and some were deleted and others added on my system today.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Tue Aug  2 02:31:48 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:31:48 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <DF6D4572-1A61-478D-A7CF-DA366D534A91@wideopenwest.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E373BF9.3030802@gmail.com>
 <DF6D4572-1A61-478D-A7CF-DA366D534A91@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <64C824BC-029F-4D31-AEF6-6B5594FFB407@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Herbert Schulz wrote:

> 
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Gareth Hughes wrote:
> 
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>> On 01/08/11 23:35, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>>> There was a similar problem reported a while ago. I do not know about
>>> xparse internals as I do not maintain it but Joseph should know what is
>>> going on. See also the similar issue which was reported in July:
>>> 
>>> http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2011-July/020840.html
>> 
>> Now that's interesting. My system actually seems to have two copies of
>> xparse.sty on it. The paths and ids of each are
>> 
>> texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xparse/xparse.sty (Id: xparse.dtx 2492
>> 2011-07-02 13:40:38Z joseph)
>> texmf-dist/tex/latex/xpackages/xbase/xparse.sty (Id: xparse.dtx 2219
>> 2011-04-08 21:07:45Z joseph)
>> 
>> However, the command "kpsewhich xparse.sty" only delivers the first of
>> these (isn't it supposed to deliver all occurrences?). The line that
>> caused problems in that old thread is corrected in the newer copy (first
>> copy), but not in the older one.
>> 
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> No it delivers the path to the first one it picks up in the sequential path it searches. That way one in your personal texmf tree gets picked up before one that is in the other trees so a personal version ``wins''.
> 
>> The thing is that it has only just stopped working now. So, a recent
>> update has created the problem.
>> 
>> Gareth.
> 
> Did you do the update using
> 
> tlmgr update --all
> 
> (prefixed by sudo if necessary on your system)? It appears that the experimental packages were re-organized and some were deleted and others added on my system today.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)


Howdy,

PPS: the xpackages folder is empty on my system.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From garzohugo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  2 03:22:42 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 02:22:42 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] xparse fails
In-Reply-To: <64C824BC-029F-4D31-AEF6-6B5594FFB407@wideopenwest.com>
References: <4E3728CF.3010206@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c8ASaOEyYWvgiQhQ=8ZMwbbaAUiYuhgHn_McnP9Vs3Eig@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E373BF9.3030802@gmail.com>
 <DF6D4572-1A61-478D-A7CF-DA366D534A91@wideopenwest.com>
 <64C824BC-029F-4D31-AEF6-6B5594FFB407@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <4E375162.8090209@gmail.com>

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On 02/08/11 01:31, Herbert Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> Did you do the update using
>> 
>> tlmgr update --all
>> 
>> (prefixed by sudo if necessary on your system)? It appears that the
>> experimental packages were re-organized and some were deleted and
>> others added on my system today.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Herb Schulz (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
> 
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> PPS: the xpackages folder is empty on my system.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Herb Schulz (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)

Ah, that's it. Of course, I usually just update the packages in the
update list. As soon as I used "update all" it deleted the everything in
l3packages. The version I thought was out-of-date is now used! Thanks, Herb.

Gareth.
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From ycherem at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 13:20:23 2011
From: ycherem at gmail.com (Youssef Cherem)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 08:20:23 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard and
	lion)
Message-ID: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>

Hi,

I've tried for weeks now to open pdfs created with xelatex with opentype arabic fonts, but they don't render well (letters appear jumbled) with preview or other pdf viewers -- except, strangely enough, with Texwork's pdf viewer.  

In Pages or Word, opentype arabic doesn't make ligatures, which makes them useless for writing Arabic. With TextEditor, I can get ligatures without any problem.

AAT fonts, on the contrary, are ok.

Is there any way of correcting (or at least circumventing) this problem?

Below are two examples of how things look in Texworks:


And the same pdf in Viewer:
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From vafa018 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 13:31:55 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:31:55 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard
 and lion)
In-Reply-To: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
References: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c--eaMRa=_KwZ+1WwTnrtQ0=xQ-P08m7cGJ5fYoESwwfA@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, this only happens with Adobe Arabic. Create a ttf version
of it and use that instead otf one.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Youssef Cherem <ycherem at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've tried for weeks now to open pdfs created with xelatex with opentype
> arabic fonts, but they don't render well (letters appear jumbled) with
> preview or other pdf viewers -- except, strangely enough, with Texwork's pdf
> viewer.
>
> In Pages or Word, opentype arabic doesn't make ligatures, which makes them
> useless for writing Arabic. With TextEditor, I can get ligatures without any
> problem.
>
> AAT fonts, on the contrary, are ok.
>
> Is there any way of correcting (or at least circumventing) this problem?
>
> Below are two examples of how things look in Texworks:
>
> And the same pdf in Viewer:
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
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>  http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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From P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk  Wed Aug  3 13:56:35 2011
From: P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk (Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd))
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:56:35 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard
 and lion)
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c--eaMRa=_KwZ+1WwTnrtQ0=xQ-P08m7cGJ5fYoESwwfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c--eaMRa=_KwZ+1WwTnrtQ0=xQ-P08m7cGJ5fYoESwwfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E393773.4090104@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



Vafa Khalighi wrote:

> As far as I know, this only happens with Adobe Arabic. Create a ttf version of it and use that instead otf one.

A supplementary question : how does the PDF appear when
viewed in Acrobat Reader or in Adobe Acrobat ?  From a
purely personal perspective, I would always check the
rendering in those before assuming that the PDF was at
fault -- it may well be simply an incompatibility with
the viewer(s).

Philip Taylors

From arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org  Wed Aug  3 14:44:51 2011
From: arthur.reutenauer at normalesup.org (Arthur Reutenauer)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:44:51 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard
 and lion)
In-Reply-To: <4E393773.4090104@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c--eaMRa=_KwZ+1WwTnrtQ0=xQ-P08m7cGJ5fYoESwwfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E393773.4090104@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <20110803124451.GC7506@phare.normalesup.org>

> A supplementary question : how does the PDF appear when
> viewed in Acrobat Reader or in Adobe Acrobat ?  From a
> purely personal perspective, I would always check the
> rendering in those before assuming that the PDF was at
> fault -- it may well be simply an incompatibility with
> the viewer(s).

  In this case, this is a known problem with Adobe Arabic: its glyph
outlines use 2048 units per em, instead of 1000 (more standard value for
CFF-based OpenType fonts, but by no means mandatory).  Adobe Reader
doesn't handle that correctly and display the glyphs at (a little bit
over) double the size they should have.

	Arthur

From ycherem at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 17:52:08 2011
From: ycherem at gmail.com (Youssef Cherem)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:52:08 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard
	and lion)
In-Reply-To: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
References: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <126E0E39-AD33-41DB-B3A9-2DF512494974@gmail.com>

I can see there's an issue with Adobe Arabic, and PDF can be viewed properly with other fonts. But even Times New Roman doesn't have any ligatures when I write something in Word or Pages -- and in Word I can't even see the Arabic fonts in the menu (Asian fonts appear, though). Maybe it's a deficiency of the programs themselves.

Perhaps they'll appear in Mellel. I haven't installed Adobe Reader yet because it just seemed too bloated (more than 400mb just for a reader).





Em 03/08/2011, ?s 08:20, Youssef Cherem escreveu:

> Hi,
> 
> I've tried for weeks now to open pdfs created with xelatex with opentype arabic fonts, but they don't render well (letters appear jumbled) with preview or other pdf viewers -- except, strangely enough, with Texwork's pdf viewer.  
> 
> In Pages or Word, opentype arabic doesn't make ligatures, which makes them useless for writing Arabic. With TextEditor, I can get ligatures without any problem.
> 
> AAT fonts, on the contrary, are ok.
> 
> Is there any way of correcting (or at least circumventing) this problem?
> 
> Below are two examples of how things look in Texworks:
> 
> <arabic in texworks.jpg>
> And the same pdf in Viewer:
> <arabic in viewer.jpg>



From P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk  Wed Aug  3 17:58:44 2011
From: P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk (Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd))
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:58:44 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard
 and lion)
In-Reply-To: <126E0E39-AD33-41DB-B3A9-2DF512494974@gmail.com>
References: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
 <126E0E39-AD33-41DB-B3A9-2DF512494974@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E397034.2090807@Rhul.Ac.Uk>

> I haven't installed Adobe Reader yet because it just seemed too bloated (more than 400mb just for a reader).

400Mb ?  Where do you get that figure ?  The Adobe web site

	http://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/

says 50.25Mb.

Philip Taylor

From crmafra2 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 18:38:46 2011
From: crmafra2 at gmail.com (Carlos R. Mafra)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:38:46 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Background color does not work
Message-ID: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>


I am trying to modify the background color of a book I am typesetting using
'xetex'.

After searching on google I found the command

\special{x:backgroundcolor=color}

being mentioned on "About XeTeX" by Jonathan Kew. In that file it is
mentioned that 

"The transforms.tex sample file demonstrates use of most of these \specials."

so I downloaded that file from the XeTeX homepage (it is inside XeTeX_doc.zip)
and tried to compile it with 'xetex'.

The \special above does not work and I get this warnings (among others):

[mafra at Pilar:Samples]$ xetex transforms.tex
This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (TeX Live 2010)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./transforms.tex [1]
** WARNING ** No valid color specified?
** WARNING ** No valid color specified?
** WARNING ** Interpreting special command backgroundcolor (x:) failed.
** WARNING ** >> at page="1" position="(72, 769.89)" (in PDF)
** WARNING ** >> xxx "x:backgroundcolor=FFFFDD"
** WARNING ** >> Reading special command stopped around >>=FFFFDD<<

The pdf is produced but the background color does not have any effect (I tried
some different colors too).

Does anyone have an idea about what is going wrong here and how to fix it?

From ycherem at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 22:29:48 2011
From: ycherem at gmail.com (Youssef Cherem)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:29:48 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] Background color does not work
In-Reply-To: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>
References: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>
Message-ID: <CFB45763-BAE5-4802-8E2E-4037DE550A83@gmail.com>

Carlos,

I'm not familiar with Xetex, only xelatex, but shouldn't you put the color name or code where the example reads "color"?


Em 03/08/2011, ?s 13:38, Carlos R. Mafra escreveu:

> 
> I am trying to modify the background color of a book I am typesetting using
> 'xetex'.
> 
> After searching on google I found the command
> 
> \special{x:backgroundcolor=color}
> 
> being mentioned on "About XeTeX" by Jonathan Kew. In that file it is
> mentioned that 
> 
> "The transforms.tex sample file demonstrates use of most of these \specials."
> 
> so I downloaded that file from the XeTeX homepage (it is inside XeTeX_doc.zip)
> and tried to compile it with 'xetex'.
> 
> The \special above does not work and I get this warnings (among others):
> 
> [mafra at Pilar:Samples]$ xetex transforms.tex
> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (TeX Live 2010)
> restricted \write18 enabled.
> entering extended mode
> (./transforms.tex [1]
> ** WARNING ** No valid color specified?
> ** WARNING ** No valid color specified?
> ** WARNING ** Interpreting special command backgroundcolor (x:) failed.
> ** WARNING ** >> at page="1" position="(72, 769.89)" (in PDF)
> ** WARNING ** >> xxx "x:backgroundcolor=FFFFDD"
> ** WARNING ** >> Reading special command stopped around >>=FFFFDD<<
> 
> The pdf is produced but the background color does not have any effect (I tried
> some different colors too).
> 
> Does anyone have an idea about what is going wrong here and how to fix it?
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
>  http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex



From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Aug  3 22:59:21 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:59:21 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Background color does not work
In-Reply-To: <CFB45763-BAE5-4802-8E2E-4037DE550A83@gmail.com>
References: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>
 <CFB45763-BAE5-4802-8E2E-4037DE550A83@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23ADE572-980C-4B53-BB7A-51EE6FC6E0E0@Web.DE>


>> After searching on google I found the command
>> 
>> \special{x:backgroundcolor=color}

Could be this \special{} is meant for the old Mac OS X output driver xdv2pdf...

--
Greetings

  Pete

Globalisation ? communism from above.



From jmccyoung at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 23:20:25 2011
From: jmccyoung at gmail.com (John McChesney-Young)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:20:25 -0700
Subject: [XeTeX] opentype arabic font rendering in mac osx (snow leopard
 and lion)
In-Reply-To: <4E397034.2090807@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <35DF305E-A54F-49BA-B905-875AD8DBF645@gmail.com>
 <126E0E39-AD33-41DB-B3A9-2DF512494974@gmail.com> <4E397034.2090807@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <CAKWmhx_u3j0j1B=h_vUUj7hWgW9UFyrY29bxp8CSjW6t7QfKww@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
<P.Taylor at rhul.ac.uk> wrote:
>> I haven't installed Adobe Reader yet because it just seemed too bloated
>> (more than 400mb just for a reader).
>
> 400Mb ? ?Where do you get that figure ? ?The Adobe web site
>
> ? ? ? ?http://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/
>
> says 50.25Mb.

Perhaps that's the size of a compressed download? Adobe Reader X on my
Mac is 296.8MB. Not quite 400MB, but closer to that than to the stated
download size.

Interesting. The US Adobe site's download page says it's 68.05MB.

John

-- 
John McChesney-Young ** Berkeley, California, U.S.A.
JMcCYoung~at~gmail.com ** http://twitter.com/jmccyoung **
http://jmccyoung.blogspot.com/


From garzohugo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 00:15:40 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:15:40 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
Message-ID: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>

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Dear XeTeXnicians,

Is there a decent guide anywhere to handling graphics with XeLaTeX? I've
ploughed through the TikZ & PGF manual, and confess that handling
graphics is not something I'm used to. I'm particularly interested in
using the bclogo to create a document I'm working on, but the logo part
of it, from a Metapost file, doesn't display. I thought that this might
have been because the bclogo package doesn't take XeTeX into account,
whereas it clearly thinks about PDFTeX, but that doesn't seem to be the
case. Has anyone used bclogo under XeLaTeX successfully?

Thanks,

Gareth.
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From vafa018 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 00:30:55 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:30:55 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>

I myself usually use tikz with XeTeX. see atached bclogo example. It
compiles fine for me.
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From crmafra2 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 00:32:52 2011
From: crmafra2 at gmail.com (Carlos R. Mafra)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 00:32:52 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Background color does not work
In-Reply-To: <CFB45763-BAE5-4802-8E2E-4037DE550A83@gmail.com>
References: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>
 <CFB45763-BAE5-4802-8E2E-4037DE550A83@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110803223252.GA10059@Pilar.site>

On Wed,  3 Aug 2011 at 17:29:48 -0300, Youssef Cherem wrote:
> 
> I'm not familiar with Xetex, only xelatex, but shouldn't you put the
> color name or code where the example reads "color"?

Right, but that's already written in transforms.tex. More precisely, the
command is this:

\special{x:backgroundcolor=FFFFDD}


From vafa018 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 00:39:10 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:39:10 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c_WaGiHXMc3sV5hy5JUxq4avB8Hq1xE9g0TOO=Dp0jmUA@mail.gmail.com>

It even works nicely in RTL (but that is due to bidi package). See attached.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Vafa Khalighi <vafa018 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I myself usually use tikz with XeTeX. see atached bclogo example. It
> compiles fine for me.
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug  4 00:49:13 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:49:13 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:

> I myself usually use tikz with XeTeX. see atached bclogo example. It
> compiles fine for me.
> <test.tex><test.pdf>


Howdy,

Hmmm? won't compile on my system with error message:

./test.tex:8: Unable to load picture or PDF file 'bc-fleur.mps'.

although that file is located in .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From vafa018 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 00:59:13 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:59:13 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>

That actually seems irrelevant because it should use bc-fleur.pdf and there
is no bc-fleur.mps in my .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
>
>

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com>wrote:

>
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>
> > I myself usually use tikz with XeTeX. see atached bclogo example. It
> > compiles fine for me.
> > <test.tex><test.pdf>
>
>
> Howdy,
>
> Hmmm? won't compile on my system with error message:
>
> ./test.tex:8: Unable to load picture or PDF file 'bc-fleur.mps'.
>
> although that file is located in .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
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From vafa018 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 01:06:44 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:06:44 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
 <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+wm_c9iWJkXh4Cyq+Yd=3qy9gA_N83mOcUiA-b0p+L4Q-t9cw@mail.gmail.com>

Right. I updated TeXLive and get exactly the same problem. It appears that
Xe(La)TeX can not handle/include mps images. In the update all the pdf and
eps are replaced by mps.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Vafa Khalighi <vafa018 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That actually seems irrelevant because it should use bc-fleur.pdf and there
> is no bc-fleur.mps in my .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
>
>>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>>
>> > I myself usually use tikz with XeTeX. see atached bclogo example. It
>> > compiles fine for me.
>> > <test.tex><test.pdf>
>>
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Hmmm? won't compile on my system with error message:
>>
>> ./test.tex:8: Unable to load picture or PDF file 'bc-fleur.mps'.
>>
>> although that file is located in .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Herb Schulz
>> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
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>>  http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug  4 01:12:54 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:12:54 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
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On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:

> That actually seems irrelevant because it should use bc-fleur.pdf and there
> is no bc-fleur.mps in my .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
> 

Howdy,

I've got a bc-fleur.mps there and no bc-fleur.pdf!

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)




From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug  4 01:15:05 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:15:05 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c9iWJkXh4Cyq+Yd=3qy9gA_N83mOcUiA-b0p+L4Q-t9cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
 <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 3, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:

> Right. I updated TeXLive and get exactly the same problem. It appears that
> Xe(La)TeX can not handle/include mps images. In the update all the pdf and
> eps are replaced by mps.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Vafa Khalighi <vafa018 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That actually seems irrelevant because it should use bc-fleur.pdf and there
>> is no bc-fleur.mps in my .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I myself usually use tikz with XeTeX. see atached bclogo example. It
>>>> compiles fine for me.
>>>> <test.tex><test.pdf>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Howdy,
>>> 
>>> Hmmm? won't compile on my system with error message:
>>> 
>>> ./test.tex:8: Unable to load picture or PDF file 'bc-fleur.mps'.
>>> 
>>> although that file is located in .../texmf-dist/tex/latex/bclogo.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> 
>>> Herb Schulz
>>> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)

Howdy,

On CTAN the bclogo package only seems to include mps files, I saw no pdf versions.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From vafa018 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 01:24:51 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:24:51 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c9iWJkXh4Cyq+Yd=3qy9gA_N83mOcUiA-b0p+L4Q-t9cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
 <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Add this code to preamble of your document and it compiles fine:

 \makeatletter

\@namedef{Gin at rule@.mps}#1{{eps}{.mps}{#1}}

\def\Gin at extensions{.pdf,.eps,.ps,%

.png,.jpg,.bmp,.pict,.tif,.psd,.mac,.sga,.tga,.gif,.mps}

\makeatother


(To the maintainers of xetex.def): this can go in xetex.def


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Vafa Khalighi <vafa018 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right. I updated TeXLive and get exactly the same problem. It appears that
> Xe(La)TeX can not handle/include mps images. In the update all the pdf and
> eps are replaced by mps.
>
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Thu Aug  4 01:41:46 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:41:46 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <CA+wm_c-0S-YGnh3edNFNxFYjThpZtbJx0mZXVp36cHkB_R4Pow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
 <CA+wm_c-c0v5d8zTg9883KdoJ2nmo0gAY9fHEZ9YDSB4tuyKFaw@mail.gmail.com>
 <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
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 <CA+wm_c9iWJkXh4Cyq+Yd=3qy9gA_N83mOcUiA-b0p+L4Q-t9cw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 3, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:

> Add this code to preamble of your document and it compiles fine:
> 
> \makeatletter
> 
> \@namedef{Gin at rule@.mps}#1{{eps}{.mps}{#1}}
> 
> \def\Gin at extensions{.pdf,.eps,.ps,%
> 
> .png,.jpg,.bmp,.pict,.tif,.psd,.mac,.sga,.tga,.gif,.mps}
> 
> \makeatother


Howdy,

Works fine. Thank you.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)




From garzohugo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 14:07:08 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 13:07:08 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
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References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
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 <7472B56D-ECAB-4665-A323-940D8C9172FF@wideopenwest.com>
 <CA+wm_c9SOO9c3eXSP4ybMPLDmqH1uRZRzbJoZ+ynsLd2ypVnkg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 04/08/11 00:24, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
> Add this code to preamble of your document and it compiles fine:
> 
> \makeatletter
> 
> \@namedef{Gin at rule@.mps}#1{{eps}{.mps}{#1}}
> 
> \def\Gin at extensions{.pdf,.eps,.ps,%
> 
> .png,.jpg,.bmp,.pict,.tif,.psd,.mac,.sga,.tga,.gif,.mps}
> 
> \makeatother
> 
> 
> (To the maintainers of xetex.def): this can go in xetex.def

Thanks, ???. This does the trick. I've actually made a local copy of
bclogo.sty with this definition in an \ifxetex ... \fi. I think I shall
send the package maintainers notification, as I wonder whether this
allowance be better in the package rather than in xetex.def. However,
there is the problem then of forcing all users of bclogo.sty to use
ifxetex.sty.

Thanks,

Gareth.

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From vafa018 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 14:11:40 2011
From: vafa018 at gmail.com (Vafa Khalighi)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:11:40 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] Graphics with XeLaTeX and bclogo
In-Reply-To: <4E3A8B6C.7060502@gmail.com>
References: <4E39C88C.3010404@gmail.com>
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it should be in xetex.def not bclogo.sty.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gareth Hughes <garzohugo at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 04/08/11 00:24, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
> > Add this code to preamble of your document and it compiles fine:
> >
> > \makeatletter
> >
> > \@namedef{Gin at rule@.mps}#1{{eps}{.mps}{#1}}
> >
> > \def\Gin at extensions{.pdf,.eps,.ps,%
> >
> > .png,.jpg,.bmp,.pict,.tif,.psd,.mac,.sga,.tga,.gif,.mps}
> >
> > \makeatother
> >
> >
> > (To the maintainers of xetex.def): this can go in xetex.def
>
> Thanks, ???. This does the trick. I've actually made a local copy of
> bclogo.sty with this definition in an \ifxetex ... \fi. I think I shall
> send the package maintainers notification, as I wonder whether this
> allowance be better in the package rather than in xetex.def. However,
> there is the problem then of forcing all users of bclogo.sty to use
> ifxetex.sty.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gareth.
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From ajones394 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  4 15:02:19 2011
From: ajones394 at gmail.com (Alan Jones)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:32:19 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Error upon install texlive on OpenBSD ports.
Message-ID: <CAK7n+=+h92pviv+iCcy=XrcHKBHuhZTCdvMLbrYMM17g9HnChQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi There:

I installed texlive on OpenBSD using their ports. texlive_base,
texlive_texmf_full, and texlive_texmf_minimal. I am able to compile a
file, but I get random errors like this

This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9997.4 (TeX Live 2010-OpenBSD_Ports)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./let_lor_ss_aero.tex
LaTeX2e <2009/09/24>
Babel <v3.8l> and hyphenation patterns for english, dumylang, nohyphenation, ge
rman-x-2009-06-19, ngerman-x-2009-06-19, ancientgreek, ibycus, arabic, armenian
, basque, bulgarian, catalan, pinyin, coptic, croatian, czech, danish, dutch, u
kenglish, usenglishmax, esperanto, estonian, farsi, finnish, french, galician,
german, ngerman, swissgerman, monogreek, greek, hungarian, icelandic, assamese,
 bengali, gujarati, hindi, kannada, malayalam, marathi, oriya, panjabi, tamil,
telugu, indonesian, interlingua, irish, italian, kurmanji, lao, latin, latvian,
 lithuanian, mongolian, mongolianlmc, bokmal, nynorsk, polish, portuguese, roma
nian, russian, sanskrit, serbian, slovak, slovenian, spanish, swedish, turkish,
 turkmen, ukrainian, uppersorbian, welsh, loaded.
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/letter.cls
Document Class: letter 1999/04/29 v1.2z Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size11.clo))
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/marvosym/marvosym.sty)
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/eso-pic/eso-pic.sty
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/oberdiek/atbegshi.sty
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/oberdiek/infwarerr.sty)
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/oberdiek/ltxcmds.sty)
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/generic/oberdiek/ifpdf.sty))
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty)
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/xcolor/xcolor.sty
(/usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/latexconfig/color.cfg)

! LaTeX Error: File `xetex.def' not found.

Type X to quit or <RETURN> to proceed,
or enter new name. (Default extension: def)

I have not set the PATH yet in .profile file, what should the path be
for OpenBSD port for texlive2010. How woudl I go about correcting this
error.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Kind Regards,
Alan

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Thu Aug  4 22:11:01 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:11:01 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Error upon install texlive on OpenBSD ports.
In-Reply-To: <CAK7n+=+h92pviv+iCcy=XrcHKBHuhZTCdvMLbrYMM17g9HnChQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK7n+=+h92pviv+iCcy=XrcHKBHuhZTCdvMLbrYMM17g9HnChQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A10E3A8-5E04-4014-9FFF-CE6A92AE7845@Web.DE>


Am 04.08.2011 um 15:02 schrieb Alan Jones:

> ! LaTeX Error: File `xetex.def' not found.
> 
> Type X to quit or <RETURN> to proceed,
> or enter new name. (Default extension: def)

Here you could try to invoke, in a second shell, 'sudo texhash' to make your TeX installation aware of all its files. You can, before and after, verify with 'kpsewhich xetex.def' whether the file xetex.def can be found (kpsewhich works like any TeX executable would work in respect to the way TeX related files are searched). Finally you can use the locate utility (or find, which just needs more time) to determine whether xetex.def really exists. If not, you'll have to report that bug! But wait, you might check first the state of your TeX software:

Actually it might be possible to use the tlmgr (TeX Live [distribution] Manager) script to update your TeX installation. You'll have to use the sudo command to gain super user privileges. It might also be possible that you check the OpenBSD Ports site and/or the TeX Live site to determine which repository has to be used for updating (sudo tlmgr --repository *url|path*). Tlmgr can also use X11 and open a GUI when invoked as 'sudo tlmgr --gui &' (it needs PerlTK). The first step should be to check the repository set whether it's the right one. Then make tlmgr update itself (sudo tlmgr [--repository *url|path*] --update --self). With the now potentially updated tlmgr utility you can check whether updates exist: sudo tlmgr [--repository *url|path*] --update --list. When you think it's the right time for an update substitute the "list" with "all". (The report from xetex "(TeX Live 2010-OpenBSD_Ports)" seems to indicate that you are not using the TL '11 edition but it's preview. In that case tlmgr might fail to work or you'll have to supply with the URL to the TL '11 repository.)

> 
> I have not set the PATH yet in .profile file, what should the path be
> for OpenBSD port for texlive2010. How woudl I go about correcting this
> error.

The command 'echo $PATH' can show you where your shell searches fro executables. You can also invoke 'which xetex' which will show you which (of the potentially many xetex executables) is found and used.

--
Greetings

  Pete

The mathematician who pursues his studies without clear views of this matter, must often have the uncomfortable feeling that his paper and pencil surpass him in intelligence.
				? Ernst Mach



From Peter_Dyballa at Freenet.DE  Thu Aug  4 22:32:11 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Freenet.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:32:11 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Error upon install texlive on OpenBSD ports.
In-Reply-To: <5A10E3A8-5E04-4014-9FFF-CE6A92AE7845@Web.DE>
References: <CAK7n+=+h92pviv+iCcy=XrcHKBHuhZTCdvMLbrYMM17g9HnChQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 04.08.2011 um 22:11 schrieb Peter Dyballa:

> Actually it might be possible to use the tlmgr (TeX Live [distribution] Manager) script to update your TeX installation. 

Doing so today might be a bit dangerous. See this thread: http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2011-August/029876.html.

--
Greetings

  Pete

You can learn many things from children.  How much patience you have, for instance.
				? Franklin P. Jones



From eknath2k at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 02:10:53 2011
From: eknath2k at gmail.com (Kattamuri Ekanadham)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:10:53 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] xetex/xelatex using TeXShop
Message-ID: <CADv-_Voc_Ac_339sMbbtoR7CfZhxediyyt9FHoKrGSL-Nj=YSg@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded TeXShop from the macupdate website and I assumed it contains
xetex/xelatex; however, when I tried to typeset a file using xelatex from
it,
it complained that the command "xelatex" is not available.
What is the procedure to get xetex/xelatex software into TeXShop?
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From wvanrooijen at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 02:36:47 2011
From: wvanrooijen at yahoo.com (Wilfred van Rooijen)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:36:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XeTeX] xetex/xelatex using TeXShop
In-Reply-To: <CADv-_Voc_Ac_339sMbbtoR7CfZhxediyyt9FHoKrGSL-Nj=YSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADv-_Voc_Ac_339sMbbtoR7CfZhxediyyt9FHoKrGSL-Nj=YSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1312504607.76161.YahooMailNeo@web120706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

TeXshop is just a text editor specifically developed for editing tex source files. To use xelatex, you need to install the tex software as well.

Cheerio,
Wilfred



________________________________
From: Kattamuri Ekanadham <eknath2k at gmail.com>
To: xetex at tug.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 9:10 AM
Subject: [XeTeX] xetex/xelatex using TeXShop


I downloaded TeXShop from the macupdate website and I assumed it contains
xetex/xelatex; however, when I tried to typeset a file using xelatex from it,
it complained that the command "xelatex" is not available.
What is the procedure to get xetex/xelatex software into TeXShop?


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From ycherem at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 02:39:46 2011
From: ycherem at gmail.com (Youssef Cherem)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:39:46 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] xetex/xelatex using TeXShop
In-Reply-To: <CADv-_Voc_Ac_339sMbbtoR7CfZhxediyyt9FHoKrGSL-Nj=YSg@mail.gmail.com>
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You should install the mactex distribution -- complete or basic.
Cheers,

Em 04/08/2011, ?s 21:10, Kattamuri Ekanadham escreveu:

> I downloaded TeXShop from the macupdate website and I assumed it contains
> xetex/xelatex; however, when I tried to typeset a file using xelatex from it,
> it complained that the command "xelatex" is not available.
> What is the procedure to get xetex/xelatex software into TeXShop?
> 
> 
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From ajones394 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 11:14:34 2011
From: ajones394 at gmail.com (Alan Jones)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:44:34 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Error upon install texlive on OpenBSD ports.
In-Reply-To: <5A10E3A8-5E04-4014-9FFF-CE6A92AE7845@Web.DE>
References: <CAK7n+=+h92pviv+iCcy=XrcHKBHuhZTCdvMLbrYMM17g9HnChQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAK7n+=K0K+nuac=SD10h+N4mMAZPXK801JJqa5ahgJ4ksVgUgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pete:

Thanks for your detailed help, I had to install texlive_texmf-full
instead of texlive_texmf-minimal to get all of it work, In earlier
texlive2010 this is how it should be done
according to the texlive port maintainer.

Thanks
Alan

On 8/5/11, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at web.de> wrote:
>
> Am 04.08.2011 um 15:02 schrieb Alan Jones:
>
>> ! LaTeX Error: File `xetex.def' not found.
>>
>> Type X to quit or <RETURN> to proceed,
>> or enter new name. (Default extension: def)
>
> Here you could try to invoke, in a second shell, 'sudo texhash' to make your
> TeX installation aware of all its files. You can, before and after, verify
> with 'kpsewhich xetex.def' whether the file xetex.def can be found
> (kpsewhich works like any TeX executable would work in respect to the way
> TeX related files are searched). Finally you can use the locate utility (or
> find, which just needs more time) to determine whether xetex.def really
> exists. If not, you'll have to report that bug! But wait, you might check
> first the state of your TeX software:
>
> Actually it might be possible to use the tlmgr (TeX Live [distribution]
> Manager) script to update your TeX installation. You'll have to use the sudo
> command to gain super user privileges. It might also be possible that you
> check the OpenBSD Ports site and/or the TeX Live site to determine which
> repository has to be used for updating (sudo tlmgr --repository *url|path*).
> Tlmgr can also use X11 and open a GUI when invoked as 'sudo tlmgr --gui &'
> (it needs PerlTK). The first step should be to check the repository set
> whether it's the right one. Then make tlmgr update itself (sudo tlmgr
> [--repository *url|path*] --update --self). With the now potentially updated
> tlmgr utility you can check whether updates exist: sudo tlmgr [--repository
> *url|path*] --update --list. When you think it's the right time for an
> update substitute the "list" with "all". (The report from xetex "(TeX Live
> 2010-OpenBSD_Ports)" seems to indicate that you are not using the TL '11
> edition but it's preview. In that case tlmgr might fail to work or you'll
> have to supply with the URL to the TL '11 repository.)
>
>>
>> I have not set the PATH yet in .profile file, what should the path be
>> for OpenBSD port for texlive2010. How woudl I go about correcting this
>> error.
>
> The command 'echo $PATH' can show you where your shell searches fro
> executables. You can also invoke 'which xetex' which will show you which (of
> the potentially many xetex executables) is found and used.
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>   Pete
>
> The mathematician who pursues his studies without clear views of this
> matter, must often have the uncomfortable feeling that his paper and pencil
> surpass him in intelligence.
> 				? Ernst Mach
>
>
>
>
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From news3 at nililand.de  Fri Aug  5 12:25:25 2011
From: news3 at nililand.de (Ulrike Fischer)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:25:25 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Background color does not work
References: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>
Message-ID: <1xhbzsf8mc0f.dlg@nililand.de>

Am Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:38:46 +0200 schrieb Carlos R. Mafra:

> I am trying to modify the background color of a book I am typesetting using
> 'xetex'.
> 
> After searching on google I found the command
> 
> \special{x:backgroundcolor=color}
> 
 
> Does anyone have an idea about what is going wrong here and how to fix it?

\specials are driver dependent. Current xetex use xdvipdfmx as
driver so you should look there for the syntax of \specials.

In xetex.def of the latex xcolor package you can find the \special
for background color:

\special{background rgb 1 0 0}

-- 
Ulrike Fischer 


From crmafra2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  5 13:16:46 2011
From: crmafra2 at gmail.com (Carlos R. Mafra)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:16:46 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Background color does not work
In-Reply-To: <23ADE572-980C-4B53-BB7A-51EE6FC6E0E0@Web.DE>
References: <20110803163846.GA6004@Pilar.site>
 <CFB45763-BAE5-4802-8E2E-4037DE550A83@gmail.com>
 <23ADE572-980C-4B53-BB7A-51EE6FC6E0E0@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <20110805111646.GA11283@Pilar.site>

On Wed,  3 Aug 2011 at 22:59:21 +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
> >> After searching on google I found the command
> >> 
> >> \special{x:backgroundcolor=color}
> 
> Could be this \special{} is meant for the old Mac OS X output driver xdv2pdf...

Ok, I've just found out that using the following command works

\special{background cmyk 0 0 0.102 0.039}

From n.hatcher at basecase.com  Mon Aug  8 13:25:12 2011
From: n.hatcher at basecase.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Hatcher?=)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:25:12 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
Message-ID: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

It seems that xelatex runs fc-cache in windows in Texlive 2010 once everyday
or so.
anyone knows how to disable that option?
Thanks in advance.

Nicol?s Hatcher
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From n.hatcher at basecase.com  Wed Aug 10 10:03:55 2011
From: n.hatcher at basecase.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Hatcher?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:03:55 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
In-Reply-To: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All (again):

It seems I was guessing too much. Perhaps my problem is not fc-cache.
What happens is that with any new day the first xelatex run is extremely
slow.
Could be 5 minutes before pass the line
This is XeTeX, Version ...
I am doing a system that produces pdf documents on demand from a website. I
cannot ask the user to wait "sometimes" 5 minutes.
I know is not fc-cache because I substituted it with a dummy file and the
problem is still there.
What does XeTeX before launching?
Any pointers to the source code so I can investigate myself?
Would the same problem arise on MiKTeX?

Again, thanks for your help in advance,

Nicol?s

2011/8/8 Nicol?s Hatcher <n.hatcher at basecase.com>

> Hi all,
>
> It seems that xelatex runs fc-cache in windows in Texlive 2010 once
> everyday or so.
> anyone knows how to disable that option?
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Nicol?s Hatcher
>
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From P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk  Wed Aug 10 10:18:01 2011
From: P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk (Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd))
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:18:01 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
In-Reply-To: <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E423EB9.2010606@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



Nicol?s Hatcher wrote:
> Hi All (again):
> 
> It seems I was guessing too much. Perhaps my problem is not fc-cache.
> What happens is that with any new day the first xelatex run is extremely slow.
> Could be 5 minutes before pass the line
> This is XeTeX, Version ...
> I am doing a system that produces pdf documents on demand from a website. I cannot ask the user to wait "sometimes" 5 minutes.
> I know is not fc-cache because I substituted it with a dummy file and the problem is still there.
> What does XeTeX before launching?
> Any pointers to the source code so I can investigate myself?

I see the same symptoms myself on a regular basis, but
not having clients to satisfy, it has never worried me.

> Would the same problem arise on MiKTeX?

You are not comparing like with like.  XeTeX is a program,
based on the original TeX program from Donald Knuth, but
re-written and considerably extended, particularly in the
field of Unicode support and file handling.  MikTeX is
a distribution, which contains TeX and many other programs,
probably including XeTeX ('though I have no first-hand
experience to support this latter statement).  If you
do not need the power of XeTeX, and do not need (for
example), support for Unicode and for system fonts,
then TeX may be all that you need, and it will not have
that same startup delay; but the delay will be (more or
less) the same for any one given program (TeX, XeTeX,
LuaTeX, whatever) regardless of the distribution
(MikTeX, TeX Live, PC TeX, Y&Y TeX, whatever).

Philip Taylor

From keithjschultz at web.de  Wed Aug 10 10:50:02 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:50:02 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
In-Reply-To: <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C18C8E8-2D7D-4A4F-87B5-BFE25E6249E9@web.de>

Hi Nicolas,

Normally, XeTeX does not take that long to start up or run!

It would seem to me that your system and web-server is set-up
wrong. There are other possibilities for the problems you are experiencing.

Either way, I believe you problem has nothing to do with XeTeX.

Sorry.

regards
	Keith.

Am 10.08.2011 um 10:03 schrieb Nicol?s Hatcher:

> Hi All (again):
> 
> It seems I was guessing too much. Perhaps my problem is not fc-cache.
> What happens is that with any new day the first xelatex run is extremely slow.
> Could be 5 minutes before pass the line
> This is XeTeX, Version ...
> I am doing a system that produces pdf documents on demand from a website. I cannot ask the user to wait "sometimes" 5 minutes.
> I know is not fc-cache because I substituted it with a dummy file and the problem is still there.
> What does XeTeX before launching?
> Any pointers to the source code so I can investigate myself?
> Would the same problem arise on MiKTeX?
> 
> Again, thanks for your help in advance,
> 
> Nicol?s
> 
> 2011/8/8 Nicol?s Hatcher <n.hatcher at basecase.com>
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems that xelatex runs fc-cache in windows in Texlive 2010 once everyday or so.
> anyone knows how to disable that option?
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Nicol?s Hatcher
> 

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From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 10 11:19:17 2011
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:19:17 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
In-Reply-To: <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B41CFE9B-BA3D-4A17-97CA-B63AA11DA8AB@gmail.com>

On 10 Aug 2011, at 09:03, Nicol?s Hatcher wrote:

> Hi All (again):
> 
> It seems I was guessing too much. Perhaps my problem is not fc-cache.
> What happens is that with any new day the first xelatex run is extremely slow.
> Could be 5 minutes before pass the line
> This is XeTeX, Version ...
> I am doing a system that produces pdf documents on demand from a website. I cannot ask the user to wait "sometimes" 5 minutes.
> I know is not fc-cache because I substituted it with a dummy file and the problem is still there.
> What does XeTeX before launching?
> Any pointers to the source code so I can investigate myself?
> Would the same problem arise on MiKTeX?
> 
> Again, thanks for your help in advance,
> 
> Nicol?s

My guess is that the fontconfig library (use by xetex) is updating its font cache file(s) - the same operation as fc-cache would do, if you ran it manually, but I believe the library does it automatically if it notices that the available fonts may have changed.

Normally, I'd expect this to happen if you add or remove fonts from your system; the first run after such a change will typically show a delay while the cache is rebuilt, unless you manually used fc-cache to refresh it first.

In your case, unless you are actually modifying your font collection daily, I wonder if some other periodic process (backup? virus-scan? etc) is touching the Fonts folder or font files in such a way that fontconfig thinks they may have changed - perhaps it monitors the last-modified time of the fonts directory, for example.

If you can determine what periodic task is triggering this, maybe (if that task is unavoidable) you could configure things so that fc-cache gets run afterwards; this should (I think) "prime" the cache so that xetex won't need to do its own rebuild on the next run.

(Incidentally, 5 minutes seems an EXTREMELY long time, unless you have many, many thousands of fonts installed. I wonder if something such as an antivirus product is hurting performance here, e.g. by stepping in and checking every file access that happens when the fonts folder is scanned. Or maybe you have things configured - perhaps via poor texmf.cnf or OSFONTDIR settings - such that huge directory trees are being unnecessarily scanned for fonts.)

JK



From n.hatcher at basecase.com  Wed Aug 10 11:34:51 2011
From: n.hatcher at basecase.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nicol=E1s_Hatcher?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:34:51 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
In-Reply-To: <B41CFE9B-BA3D-4A17-97CA-B63AA11DA8AB@gmail.com>
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <B41CFE9B-BA3D-4A17-97CA-B63AA11DA8AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+98y2LU2bEdkaGfV7jg9VOC=WYBOAAn8N+7JUZP0wCUEx9MYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi and thank you all for your quick and useful answers.

I am kind of new to XeTeX but I have been using LaTeX on a daily basis for
the last 15 years.

The problem is with XeTeX, because for testing purposes I run XeTeX alone.

I will keep an eye on what fontconfig is doing, I did not realise it was the
library not XeTeX itself who was doing the font search. Thank you for that.
Anyway, I think I will move everything to a Linux VM.
Again, thank you for your answers and I will remain in this mailing list
(and using XeTeX!).

Nicol?s
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From john.was at ntlworld.com  Wed Aug 10 10:28:26 2011
From: john.was at ntlworld.com (John Was)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:28:26 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E423EB9.2010606@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <CCED76A35EB24AECB39CBCA3D042A4BC@k2010>

Hello

It's not an intellectually satisfying solution, but could you not yourself 
be the first (dummy) customer each day, offering up a file for PDF 
conversion so that the initial slow processing happens only to you?  The 
real clients who come after that will then (if I understand your problem 
correctly) get a fast(er) service.

If you want the service to run 24/7 (as would be normal for a web-based 
service), it might be possible to automate this so that it kicks in at a 
specific point (early) in the day.  It would be interesting to know whether 
it coincides with any daily archiving or updating at the server from which 
your XeLaTeX distribution obtains its updates - e.g. whether this doesn't 
work if you do it at 4 a.m. but it does if you do it at 7 a.m.


John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)" <P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk>
To: "Nicol?s Hatcher" <n.hatcher at basecase.com>
Cc: "Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms" <xetex at tug.org>
Sent: 10 August 2011 09:18
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache




Nicol?s Hatcher wrote:
> Hi All (again):
>
> It seems I was guessing too much. Perhaps my problem is not fc-cache.
> What happens is that with any new day the first xelatex run is extremely 
> slow.
> Could be 5 minutes before pass the line
> This is XeTeX, Version ...
> I am doing a system that produces pdf documents on demand from a website. 
> I cannot ask the user to wait "sometimes" 5 minutes.
> I know is not fc-cache because I substituted it with a dummy file and the 
> problem is still there.
> What does XeTeX before launching?
> Any pointers to the source code so I can investigate myself?

I see the same symptoms myself on a regular basis, but
not having clients to satisfy, it has never worried me.

> Would the same problem arise on MiKTeX?

You are not comparing like with like.  XeTeX is a program,
based on the original TeX program from Donald Knuth, but
re-written and considerably extended, particularly in the
field of Unicode support and file handling.  MikTeX is
a distribution, which contains TeX and many other programs,
probably including XeTeX ('though I have no first-hand
experience to support this latter statement).  If you
do not need the power of XeTeX, and do not need (for
example), support for Unicode and for system fonts,
then TeX may be all that you need, and it will not have
that same startup delay; but the delay will be (more or
less) the same for any one given program (TeX, XeTeX,
LuaTeX, whatever) regardless of the distribution
(MikTeX, TeX Live, PC TeX, Y&Y TeX, whatever).

Philip Taylor


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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Aug 10 19:09:05 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:09:05 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Xetex TexLife and fc-cache
In-Reply-To: <CCED76A35EB24AECB39CBCA3D042A4BC@k2010>
References: <CA+98y2+R4=MePOouJp-edBAV_sKfbW50b56vTT2Ng3nNrSZ26w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+98y2LtTA=zO4H+MXAfsBkBd8xP41J=ojE70OPj5eXMo_52RQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E423EB9.2010606@Rhul.Ac.Uk> <CCED76A35EB24AECB39CBCA3D042A4BC@k2010>
Message-ID: <7E0F5661-F0B3-4524-8B57-E0FADCD8591F@Web.DE>


Am 10.08.2011 um 10:28 schrieb John Was:

> It's not an intellectually satisfying solution, but could you not yourself be the first (dummy) customer each day, offering up a file for PDF conversion so that the initial slow processing happens only to you?

It should be easier, and more efficient, to add one crontab job that runs fc-cache as root and another one that runs the same as the user which owns the XeTeX-to-PDF service. Let them run at the same time, say 4 o'clock, that both take advantage of the *file system* caches.

The first time both should run with -v that one can compare whether root and the service user use the same set-up.

--
Greetings

  Pete

There are three types of people in this world: those who can count, and those who cannot.



From tharoth at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 23:07:20 2011
From: tharoth at gmail.com (Andrew Gollan)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:07:20 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Trouble with the new Xetex
Message-ID: <CAFBXfEjVbswQZYB-RkhW8M_mCxcY3AUwe2X5uha-+SB6qdyJ4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am using the Palatino Linotype font which does not have a native ? glyph.

I had been entering my ? letters as \=y which was working fine until I
upgraded to TeXLive2011 (from 2009/2010 depending on machine). Now I get the
error message:

 ** ERROR ** Invalid glyph index (gid 1329)

Output file removed.

I have attached the .log file. Which contains the following line for each ?.

Missing character: There is no ? in font Palatino
Linotype/ICU:script=latn;lan
guage=DFLT;!

Any clues as to why this appears to have gone backwards?

Andrew Gollan
Latin Teacher
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From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 11 19:39:24 2011
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:39:24 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Writing binary data in \special
Message-ID: <20110811173924.GA14467@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

Hello,

I want to use \special with arbitrary binary data, e.g.:
  \special{pdf: object @my <</Hello/World>>streamXYZ?FOOendstream}^1
However 8bit characters are recorded and written in UTF-8.

\XeTeXinputencoding bytes is only a very partial solution:
* It doesn't work without --etex
* "\XeTeXoutputencoding" is missing.

Is there a way to write arbitrary binary data in files
and \special commands? Or is this limited to 7bit or UTF-8?

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

^1 For the example the workaround would be using the
   filter ASCII85Decode (or ASCIIHexDecode). But that blows
   the stream contents and increases the final PDF file size.

From ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 13 06:08:37 2011
From: ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net (Neal Delmonico)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:08:37 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
Message-ID: <op.vz4wgnl2vrbr4v@localhost>

Hi,

I am having some trouble with XeTeX suddenly.  I recently updated my  
TeXLive using tlmgr and now XeLaTeX no longer works.

Instead I get the following message"

---! /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-var/web2c/xetex/xelatex.fmt doesn't  
match xetex.pool
(Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)

How do I fix this?  What went wrong.  Usually the update all installed  
function wrongs like a charm.

Thanks,

Neal

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

From wujastyk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 10:45:07 2011
From: wujastyk at gmail.com (Dominik Wujastyk)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:45:07 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
In-Reply-To: <op.vz4wgnl2vrbr4v@localhost>
References: <op.vz4wgnl2vrbr4v@localhost>
Message-ID: <CAKdt-CcKQWV23qvD0BdR_g38DbgFHc6PNmF1aFc62wc35=B3oA@mail.gmail.com>

have you tried rebuilding the fmt file?


On 13 August 2011 06:08, Neal Delmonico <ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am having some trouble with XeTeX suddenly.  I recently updated my
> TeXLive using tlmgr and now XeLaTeX no longer works.
>
> Instead I get the following message"
>
> ---! /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-**var/web2c/xetex/xelatex.fmt doesn't
> match xetex.pool
> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)
>
> How do I fix this?  What went wrong.  Usually the update all installed
> function wrongs like a charm.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neal
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
>
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Aug 13 10:49:56 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:49:56 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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Am 13.08.2011 um 06:08 schrieb Neal Delmonico:

> ---! /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-var/web2c/xetex/xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool
> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)

Did you read the sequence "2 0 0 9"? It tells you that you are *not* using the updated xelatex.

> 
> How do I fix this?

Use the updated version of TeX Live 2011!

> What went wrong.

Presumingly setting PATH. The environment variable $PATH tells the shell interpreter where to look for executables. Seems it looks for executables from two years ago, which are organised in  /usr/local/texlive/2009/bin/<some architecture>/, while the recent ones are in /usr/local/texlive/2011/bin<some architecture>/.

Could be you also have some other TeX related environment variables set which cause the failure. The commands env or printenv show all environment variables and the values they are set to. The command

	env | egrep 'TEX|MF'

should filter only the relevant ones.

For MacTeX users a TeX Distributions Preference Pane exists to set $PATH.

--
Greetings

  Pete

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			? Robert Bringhurst





From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Aug 13 12:25:29 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:25:29 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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Am 13.08.2011 um 10:45 schrieb Dominik Wujastyk:

> have you tried rebuilding the fmt file?

Tlmgr usually does this job. (Also updating the MAP files.)

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Greetings

  Pete

Upgraded, adj.:
	Didn't work the first time.


From jmccyoung at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 18:51:07 2011
From: jmccyoung at gmail.com (John McChesney-Young)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:51:07 -0700
Subject: [XeTeX] Trouble with the new Xetex
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Since as far as I've seen no one has responded to your question (and I
have no idea of an answer myself), I thought I'd ask whether there's
some feature of Palatino Linotype that makes it so appealing you don't
want to switch to a font that includes the character? There are a lot
of them out there, including Charis SIL, Gentium (and GentiumPlus),
Linux Libertine, Junicode, DejaVu, Old Standard, and Theano, just to
mention a few I recognize as free fonts I've downloaded, besides
whatever system fonts you might already have that include it. I'm
using GentiumPlus in my edition of Hyginus' _Fabulae_ in part because
of its inclusion of the macron-y.

John

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Andrew Gollan <tharoth at gmail.com>
wrote in part:
> I am using the Palatino Linotype font which does not have a native ? glyph.
>
> I had been entering my ? letters as \=y which was working fine until I
> upgraded to TeXLive2011 (from 2009/2010 depending on machine). Now I get the
> error message...
-- 
John McChesney-Young ** Berkeley, California, U.S.A.
JMcCYoung~at~gmail.com ** http://twitter.com/jmccyoung **
http://jmccyoung.blogspot.com/


From kiryen at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 19:33:02 2011
From: kiryen at gmail.com (Andy Lin)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:33:02 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Trouble with the new Xetex
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My guess is that it used to use the combining diacritic with the y,
and now it only looks for the precomposed character. I'm not sure how
you'd go about solving your problem though.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:51, John McChesney-Young <jmccyoung at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since as far as I've seen no one has responded to your question (and I
> have no idea of an answer myself), I thought I'd ask whether there's
> some feature of Palatino Linotype that makes it so appealing you don't
> want to switch to a font that includes the character? There are a lot
> of them out there, including Charis SIL, Gentium (and GentiumPlus),
> Linux Libertine, Junicode, DejaVu, Old Standard, and Theano, just to
> mention a few I recognize as free fonts I've downloaded, besides
> whatever system fonts you might already have that include it. I'm
> using GentiumPlus in my edition of Hyginus' _Fabulae_ in part because
> of its inclusion of the macron-y.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Andrew Gollan <tharoth at gmail.com>
> wrote in part:
>> I am using the Palatino Linotype font which does not have a native ? glyph.
>>
>> I had been entering my ? letters as \=y which was working fine until I
>> upgraded to TeXLive2011 (from 2009/2010 depending on machine). Now I get the
>> error message...
> --
> John McChesney-Young ** Berkeley, California, U.S.A.
> JMcCYoung~at~gmail.com ** http://twitter.com/jmccyoung **
> http://jmccyoung.blogspot.com/
>
>
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From mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 19:56:33 2011
From: mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com (Mojca Miklavec)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:56:33 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Trouble with the new Xetex
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On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 19:33, Andy Lin wrote:
> My guess is that it used to use the combining diacritic with the y,
> and now it only looks for the precomposed character. I'm not sure how
> you'd go about solving your problem though.

I don't know the details, but I also think that one package A (maybe
fontspec or xltxtra?) now loads the other package B (maybe xunicode?)
automatically.

Most probably xunicode tries to use the proper accent even if you use
\=, but I have no idea how to fix that in XeLaTeX. If you were using
proper letter ?, you could just make that letter active and redefine
it to create a composite character.

Maybe xunicode has some sequence to revert its magic?

Mojca


From ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 13 20:01:33 2011
From: ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net (Neal Delmonico)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:01:33 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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When the fmtutil file is run it gets several errors.  Here is what it says:


fmtutil: Error! Not all formats have been built successfully.
Visit the log files in directory
   /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-var/web2c
for details.
###############################################################################

This is a summary of all `failed' messages:
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=amstex -progname=amstex -translate-file=cp227.tcx  
*amstex.ini' failed
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=eplain -progname=eplain -translate-file=cp227.tcx  
*eplain.ini' failed
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=latex -progname=latex -translate-file=cp227.tcx  
*latex.ini' failed
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdflatex -progname=pdflatex  
-translate-file=cp227.tcx *pdflatex.ini' failed
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=mex -progname=mex -translate-file=cp227.tcx  
*mex.ini' failed
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=pdfmex -progname=pdfmex -translate-file=cp227.tcx  
*pdfmex.ini' failed
`pdftex -ini  -jobname=utf8mex -progname=utf8mex -enc *utf8mex.ini' failed

I looked at the xelatex.fmt and see that the date on the file is back in  
january.  So it was not touched in the most recent execution of fmtutil.

Any suggestions?

Best

Neal



On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:45:07 -0500, Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> have you tried rebuilding the fmt file?
>
>
> On 13 August 2011 06:08, Neal Delmonico <ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am having some trouble with XeTeX suddenly.  I recently updated my
>> TeXLive using tlmgr and now XeLaTeX no longer works.
>>
>> Instead I get the following message"
>>
>> ---! /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf-**var/web2c/xetex/xelatex.fmt doesn't
>> match xetex.pool
>> (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)
>>
>> How do I fix this?  What went wrong.  Usually the update all installed
>> function wrongs like a charm.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Neal
>>
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Sat Aug 13 20:40:23 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:40:23 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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Am 13.08.2011 um 20:01 schrieb Neal Delmonico:

> Any suggestions?

Please use the updated version! Not the old stuff from 2009.

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Greetings

  Pete

When you meet a master swordsman,
show him your sword.
When you meet a man who is not a poet,
do not show him your poem.
			? Rinzai, ninth century Zen master



From news3 at nililand.de  Sun Aug 14 11:21:27 2011
From: news3 at nililand.de (Ulrike Fischer)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:21:27 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Trouble with the new Xetex
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Am Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:56:33 +0200 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:


>> My guess is that it used to use the combining diacritic with the y,
>> and now it only looks for the precomposed character. I'm not sure how
>> you'd go about solving your problem though.
 
> I don't know the details, but I also think that one package A (maybe
> fontspec or xltxtra?) now loads the other package B (maybe xunicode?)
> automatically.
 
> Most probably xunicode tries to use the proper accent even if you use
> \=, but I have no idea how to fix that in XeLaTeX. If you were using
> proper letter ?, you could just make that letter active and redefine
> it to create a composite character.
 
> Maybe xunicode has some sequence to revert its magic?

It has. But I didn't see previously the error message ("** ERROR **
Invalid glyph index (gid 1329)") in this context and the only
"proof" for the claim that the source of the problem is the \=y is a
log-file of a 70 page document. 

Without a small complete ("minimal") example it is impossible to
investigate in a sensible way.



-- 
Ulrike Fischer 


From ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 14 19:25:25 2011
From: ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net (Neal Delmonico)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:25 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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Thanks.  I scrapped the old system (it seems like 2011 files had been  
written to that 2009 directory somehow in my previous tlmgr updates) and  
downloaded and installed the new 2011 one (into /usr/local/texlive/2011).   
Everything seems to be working now.

I have one more question for the Sanskritists on the list.  How does one  
get the candra-bindu to work with a preceding long a? I inserted the  
unicode character for candrabindu into its proper place in the Roman  
transliteration but when that gets converted into Devanagari by RomDev a  
blank square appears in place where candrabindu should be.  What am I  
doing wrong?

Thanks again.

best

Neal

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:40:23 -0500, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at web.de>  
wrote:

>
> Am 13.08.2011 um 20:01 schrieb Neal Delmonico:
>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Please use the updated version! Not the old stuff from 2009.
>
> --
> Greetings
>
>   Pete
>
> When you meet a master swordsman,
> show him your sword.
> When you meet a man who is not a poet,
> do not show him your poem.
> 			? Rinzai, ninth century Zen master
>
>
>
>
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From ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 14 19:46:28 2011
From: ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net (Neal Delmonico)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:46:28 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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As an addendum to my last message, here is the code I am working with that  
produces the flawed output.  It is from the Bhagavadgita 4.39:


\skt{\large ?raddh?v??llabhate j??na? tatpara? sa?yatendriya?|}\\
\skt{\large j??na? labdhv? par?? ??ntimacire??dhigacchati|| 39||}

?raddh?v??l labhate j??na? tatpara? sa?yatendriya?|\\
j??na? labdhv? par?? ??ntim acire??dhigacchati|| 39||


Thanks.

Neal


On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:25 -0500, Neal Delmonico  
<ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Thanks.  I scrapped the old system (it seems like 2011 files had been  
> written to that 2009 directory somehow in my previous tlmgr updates) and  
> downloaded and installed the new 2011 one (into  
> /usr/local/texlive/2011).  Everything seems to be working now.
>
> I have one more question for the Sanskritists on the list.  How does one  
> get the candra-bindu to work with a preceding long a? I inserted the  
> unicode character for candrabindu into its proper place in the Roman  
> transliteration but when that gets converted into Devanagari by RomDev a  
> blank square appears in place where candrabindu should be.  What am I  
> doing wrong?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> best
>
> Neal
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:40:23 -0500, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at web.de>  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 13.08.2011 um 20:01 schrieb Neal Delmonico:
>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Please use the updated version! Not the old stuff from 2009.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings
>>
>>   Pete
>>
>> When you meet a master swordsman,
>> show him your sword.
>> When you meet a man who is not a poet,
>> do not show him your poem.
>> 			? Rinzai, ninth century Zen master
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
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>>   http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
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>


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From ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net  Sun Aug 14 22:34:59 2011
From: ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net (Neal Delmonico)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:34:59 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] XeLateX problem after updating
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References: <op.vz4wgnl2vrbr4v@localhost>
 <CAKdt-CcKQWV23qvD0BdR_g38DbgFHc6PNmF1aFc62wc35=B3oA@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.vz5y0vwzvrbr4v@localhost> <8C1B99BD-EE1C-4914-8700-A4D93BA7CD51@Web.DE>
 <op.vz7r0nyjvrbr4v@localhost> <op.vz7szqqsvrbr4v@localhost>
Message-ID: <op.vz70slilvrbr4v@localhost>

Never mind.  I think I have figured it out.  There is one unicode  
candrabindu code for the Devanagari (0910) and another for the Roman  
(0310).  The Roman code does not work in the Devanagari.

Best

Neal

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:46:28 -0500, Neal Delmonico  
<ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As an addendum to my last message, here is the code I am working with  
> that produces the flawed output.  It is from the Bhagavadgita 4.39:
>
>
> \skt{\large ?raddh?v??llabhate j??na? tatpara? sa?yatendriya?|}\\
> \skt{\large j??na? labdhv? par?? ??ntimacire??dhigacchati|| 39||}
>
> ?raddh?v??l labhate j??na? tatpara? sa?yatendriya?|\\
> j??na? labdhv? par?? ??ntim acire??dhigacchati|| 39||
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Neal
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:25 -0500, Neal Delmonico  
> <ndelmonico at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks.  I scrapped the old system (it seems like 2011 files had been  
>> written to that 2009 directory somehow in my previous tlmgr updates)  
>> and downloaded and installed the new 2011 one (into  
>> /usr/local/texlive/2011).  Everything seems to be working now.
>>
>> I have one more question for the Sanskritists on the list.  How does  
>> one get the candra-bindu to work with a preceding long a? I inserted  
>> the unicode character for candrabindu into its proper place in the  
>> Roman transliteration but when that gets converted into Devanagari by  
>> RomDev a blank square appears in place where candrabindu should be.   
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> best
>>
>> Neal
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:40:23 -0500, Peter Dyballa  
>> <Peter_Dyballa at web.de> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Am 13.08.2011 um 20:01 schrieb Neal Delmonico:
>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Please use the updated version! Not the old stuff from 2009.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>>   Pete
>>>
>>> When you meet a master swordsman,
>>> show him your sword.
>>> When you meet a man who is not a poet,
>>> do not show him your poem.
>>> 			? Rinzai, ninth century Zen master
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
>>>   http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
>>
>>
>
>


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From ross.moore at mq.edu.au  Tue Aug 16 00:07:17 2011
From: ross.moore at mq.edu.au (Ross Moore)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:07:17 +1000
Subject: [XeTeX] xelatex question
In-Reply-To: <CALnfdhk-6-jmNeuXneT7JwjgukMaTj3nGLnA6o5UCh+jhygkAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALnfdhk-6-jmNeuXneT7JwjgukMaTj3nGLnA6o5UCh+jhygkAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B26B7FD-6A5E-4DDA-A996-687B8EF55CA0@mq.edu.au>

Hello Steve,

On 15/08/2011, at 4:27 PM, Steve Deckelman wrote:

> Dear Ross, I came across one of your posts on the net. Would you know if there is something like a "pinyin" package for xelatex?  Something similar to the one for CJK that would allow me to type set things like \Wo2 and have it typeset in pinyin with accent 2.

Please post to the XeTeX mailing list.
See:
   http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex


Someone there is likely to be able to help with such technical
problems.

> 
> best
> Steve Deckelman
> Math Dept.
> UW-Stout


Hope this helps,

	Ross

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From P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk  Tue Aug 16 00:28:12 2011
From: P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk (Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd))
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:28:12 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] xelatex question
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Ross Moore wrote:
> Hello Steve,
> 
> On 15/08/2011, at 4:27 PM, Steve Deckelman wrote:
> 
>> Dear Ross, I came across one of your posts on the net. 

Would you know if there is something like a "pinyin" package for xelatex?
Something similar to the one for CJK that would allow me to type set things
like \Wo2 and have it typeset in pinyin with accent 2.

I use "Pinyinput" :

	http://www.chinese-forums.com/index.php?/topic/10274-pinyinput-type-pinyin-with-tone-marks/

Enter "wo2" and "w?" appears as if by magic !  As the
resulting output is UTF, it can be fed straight into
XeTeX.

Philip Taylor

From andmos at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 16:58:56 2011
From: andmos at gmail.com (Andrew Moschou)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:28:56 +0930
Subject: [XeTeX] xelatex question
In-Reply-To: <1B26B7FD-6A5E-4DDA-A996-687B8EF55CA0@mq.edu.au>
References: <CALnfdhk-6-jmNeuXneT7JwjgukMaTj3nGLnA6o5UCh+jhygkAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1B26B7FD-6A5E-4DDA-A996-687B8EF55CA0@mq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <CAFphcK47OcGSD1BzFk2cS3e8faNqJpA6QpqNBvAOYxcgNLqObw@mail.gmail.com>

I would be happy to write one if it doesn't exist. I can't guarantee when it
would be available if I do; I'm far too busy at the moment.

Andrew


On 16 August 2011 07:37, Ross Moore <ross.moore at mq.edu.au> wrote:

> Hello Steve,
>
> On 15/08/2011, at 4:27 PM, Steve Deckelman wrote:
>
> > Dear Ross, I came across one of your posts on the net. Would you know if
> there is something like a "pinyin" package for xelatex?  Something similar
> to the one for CJK that would allow me to type set things like \Wo2 and have
> it typeset in pinyin with accent 2.
>
> Please post to the XeTeX mailing list.
> See:
>   http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
>
>
> Someone there is likely to be able to help with such technical
> problems.
>
> >
> > best
> > Steve Deckelman
> > Math Dept.
> > UW-Stout
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>        Ross
>
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From bpj at melroch.se  Tue Aug 16 17:40:57 2011
From: bpj at melroch.se (BPJ)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:40:57 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] xelatex question
In-Reply-To: <1B26B7FD-6A5E-4DDA-A996-687B8EF55CA0@mq.edu.au>
References: <CALnfdhk-6-jmNeuXneT7JwjgukMaTj3nGLnA6o5UCh+jhygkAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1B26B7FD-6A5E-4DDA-A996-687B8EF55CA0@mq.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4E4A8F89.6050704@melroch.se>

On 2011-08-16 00:07, Ross Moore wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> On 15/08/2011, at 4:27 PM, Steve Deckelman wrote:
>
>> Dear Ross, I came across one of your posts on the net. Would you know if there is something like a "pinyin" package for xelatex?  Something similar to the one for CJK that would allow me to type set things like \Wo2 and have it typeset in pinyin with accent 2.
>
> Please post to the XeTeX mailing list.
> See:
>     http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
>
>
> Someone there is likely to be able to help with such technical
> problems.

You could create a TECkit mapping with all possible syllables
(in all possible case variations), or even better, write a
script which writes the mapping. In fact I might just go about
doing that if someone can suggest somewhere to host it.

/bpj

From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Thu Aug 18 17:05:22 2011
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:05:22 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Superscript and Small Caps problem
Message-ID: <4E4CF1F2.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

Hello,

The minimal example below works as written. However, when I change the
main font to Linux Libertine, the 'l?' no longer superscripts, and if I
change the sans serif font to Linux Biolinum, the h-breve isn't small
capped (uppercase h-breve is in the font). OS X Lion and have updated to
MacTex 2011....

Can anyone tell me why this might be, and how to fix it?

Thanks!

K

----
\documentclass[12pt,letterpaper,twoside]{book}

\usepackage{fontspec,xltxtra,xunicode}
\usepackage{geometry}
\geometry{letterpaper}
\defaultfontfeatures{Mapping=tex-text}
\setmainfont [Ligatures={Common}]{Times New Roman}%Want Linux
Libertine
\setsansfont[Scale=MatchLowercase]{Charis SIL}%Want Linux Biolinum
\newcommand{\smn}[1]{{\sffamily\scshape#1}}
\newcommand{\dtm}[1]{{\textsuperscript{\sffamily#1}}}
\begin{document}
	Fisher is \dtm{l?}\smn{?u-?a}
\end{document}



Karlj?rgen G. Feuerherm, PhD
Undergraduate Advisor
Department of Archaeology and Classical Studies
Wilfrid Laurier University
75 University Avenue West
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3C5
Tel. (519) 884-1970 x3193
Fax (519) 883-0991 (ATTN Arch. & Classics)




From snvv101 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 18 17:11:05 2011
From: snvv101 at gmail.com (snvv)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:11:05 +0300
Subject: [XeTeX] Xelatex - Beamer and transition effects
Message-ID: <201108181811.06407.snvv101@gmail.com>

Hello,
Is it possible to have transition effects using xelatex?
I have try different things but I haven?t find a solution yet.

Thank you in advance.
snvv

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From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 19 03:57:10 2011
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:57:10 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Xelatex - Beamer and transition effects
In-Reply-To: <201108181811.06407.snvv101@gmail.com>
References: <201108181811.06407.snvv101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110819015710.GA1496@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 06:11:05PM +0300, snvv wrote:

> Is it possible to have transition effects using xelatex?
> I have try different things but I haven???t find a solution yet.

Add the following special to the page, where you want to have
the effect:
  \special{pdf: put @thispage <</Trans<</S/Dissolve>>>>}
See the PDF specification for the contents of dictionary /Trans.

It works in AR5/Linux. In AR7/Linux and AR8/Linux the effects
are active in full screen mode only.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From kiryen at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 10:37:08 2011
From: kiryen at gmail.com (Andy Lin)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:37:08 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Superscript and Small Caps problem
In-Reply-To: <4E4CF1F2.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <4E4CF1F2.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
Message-ID: <CADvAzURmF7w6y5WV4x8a0ry-f0QrnqOKpToPbRt3=1GKaMCtiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Superscripts: xltxtra uses real super-/subscripts by default if the
font supports it, and fakes them if the font doesn't. The reason it
used to work for Times New Roman, ironically, is because the font
didn't actually support OpenType superscripts, so it would be faked.
The reason why it doesn't work for Linux Libertine is because it does
support OpenType superscripts, so the feature is enabled, but the font
doesn't actually contain superscript glyphs for 'l?'. To fix this:
Change
\newcommand{\dtm}[1]{{\textsuperscript{\sffamily#1}}}
to
\newcommand{\dtm}[1]{{\rmfamily\fakesuperscript{#1}}} %\sffamily was a
typo, right? I've reversed the order out of personal preference; it's
less likely to break this way.

Small caps: Charis SIL is one of the rare fonts that has a small
capital version of the h breve. I forget if there's any official
support for fake small caps like with LaTeX, but you can fake the
small caps version by using the capital version by using the following
code (adjust the parameters FakeStretch, FakeBold, and Scale for
appearance).
Add
\newcommand{\fakesc}[1]{{\addfontfeatures{FakeStretch=1.1,FakeBold=1.1,Scale=0.8}\MakeUppercase{#1}}}
Change
\newcommand{\smn}[1]{{\sffamily\scshape#1}}
to
\newcommand{\smn}[1]{{\sffamily\fakesc{#1}}}

The downside to using either of these codes is that it will always
fake the superscript/small caps, even if the font has the proper
glyph. I'm sure someone can hack together a fix that will swap the
definitions(between fake and real) based on the Unicode range, but I'm
not quite there.

HTH,
Andy


From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Fri Aug 19 14:05:57 2011
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:05:57 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Superscript and Small Caps problem
In-Reply-To: <CADvAzURmF7w6y5WV4x8a0ry-f0QrnqOKpToPbRt3=1GKaMCtiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E4CF1F2.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <CADvAzURmF7w6y5WV4x8a0ry-f0QrnqOKpToPbRt3=1GKaMCtiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E4E1965.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

Hello Andy,

Thanks--this does help.

the \sffamily wasn't a typo--I did want sansserif, it's just for
testing purposes that I couldn't quickly find a font that would make the
example work.

Interesting that the h-breve isn't in the small caps. I suppose another
solution would be to add it in (and change the font name, of course).

I'll give this a whirl!

Much appreciated,

K

>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at  4:37 AM, in message
<CADvAzURmF7w6y5WV4x8a0ry-f0QrnqOKpToPbRt3=1GKaMCtiQ at mail.gmail.com>,
Andy Lin
<kiryen at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Superscripts: xltxtra uses real super-/subscripts by default if the
> font supports it, and fakes them if the font doesn't. The reason it
> used to work for Times New Roman, ironically, is because the font
> didn't actually support OpenType superscripts, so it would be faked.
> The reason why it doesn't work for Linux Libertine is because it
does
> support OpenType superscripts, so the feature is enabled, but the
font
> doesn't actually contain superscript glyphs for 'l?'. To fix this:
> Change
> \newcommand{\dtm}[1]{{\textsuperscript{\sffamily#1}}}
> to
> \newcommand{\dtm}[1]{{\rmfamily\fakesuperscript{#1}}} %\sffamily was
a
> typo, right? I've reversed the order out of personal preference;
it's
> less likely to break this way.
> 
> Small caps: Charis SIL is one of the rare fonts that has a small
> capital version of the h breve. I forget if there's any official
> support for fake small caps like with LaTeX, but you can fake the
> small caps version by using the capital version by using the
following
> code (adjust the parameters FakeStretch, FakeBold, and Scale for
> appearance).
> Add
>
\newcommand{\fakesc}[1]{{\addfontfeatures{FakeStretch=1.1,FakeBold=1.1,Scale
> =0.8}\MakeUppercase{#1}}}
> Change
> \newcommand{\smn}[1]{{\sffamily\scshape#1}}
> to
> \newcommand{\smn}[1]{{\sffamily\fakesc{#1}}}
> 
> The downside to using either of these codes is that it will always
> fake the superscript/small caps, even if the font has the proper
> glyph. I'm sure someone can hack together a fix that will swap the
> definitions(between fake and real) based on the Unicode range, but
I'm
> not quite there.
> 
> HTH,
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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From gurusaravana at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 08:26:17 2011
From: gurusaravana at gmail.com (Saravanakumar Guru)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:56:17 +0530
Subject: [XeTeX] Please help me in editing with fancy header in Latex
Message-ID: <CA+YexS9sm+yt0rT0VxTQnzZM2TfE2c3PUNGGMGjz7n=BGuRU9A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sir/Madam:

I want to use the package /fancyheader starting in the first chapter of my
thesis, and not from the beginning of the document. How would I be able to
do this in LaTeX.

Kind Regards,

-- 
Take Care,

Bye from Saravanakumar
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From jerome.eteve at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 10:45:28 2011
From: jerome.eteve at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgw4l0w6l2w6k=?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:45:28 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Please help me in editing with fancy header in Latex
In-Reply-To: <CA+YexS9sm+yt0rT0VxTQnzZM2TfE2c3PUNGGMGjz7n=BGuRU9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+YexS9sm+yt0rT0VxTQnzZM2TfE2c3PUNGGMGjz7n=BGuRU9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkhWr91WcHjQwwNybmz1RPHO_qK6wU6d-2RK-1ZOuEm5NDrAw@mail.gmail.com>

I believe you can set your \pagestyle{fancy} to be fancy for the whole
document and specify a \thispagestyle{empty} where you don't want your
fancy head/foot.

See ftp://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/fancyhdr/fancyhdr.pdf
for full reference.

Jerome.

On 22 August 2011 07:26, Saravanakumar Guru <gurusaravana at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sir/Madam:
>
> I want to use the package /fancyheader starting in the first chapter of my
> thesis, and not from the beginning of the document. How would I be able to
> do this in LaTeX.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> --
> Take Care,
>
> Bye from Saravanakumar
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
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-- 
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http://sigstp.blogspot.com/
http://twitter.com/jeteve


From jerome.eteve at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 16:46:32 2011
From: jerome.eteve at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgw4l0w6l2w6k=?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 15:46:32 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Displaying layout properties
Message-ID: <CAFkhWr8q=rQUFdA7U+WdUZska1BsFhe9OG+aoj=THfehWxnmcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Is there a package to use to display all the current layout metrics
graphically on pages?

Thanks!

Jerome.

-- 
Jerome Eteve.

http://sigstp.blogspot.com/
http://twitter.com/jeteve

From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Mon Aug 22 17:01:34 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:01:34 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Displaying layout properties
In-Reply-To: <CAFkhWr8q=rQUFdA7U+WdUZska1BsFhe9OG+aoj=THfehWxnmcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFkhWr8q=rQUFdA7U+WdUZska1BsFhe9OG+aoj=THfehWxnmcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFAFDA9B-9C5B-4BB2-B3F4-E581821B8F2D@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:46 AM, J?r?me ?t?v? wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is there a package to use to display all the current layout metrics
> graphically on pages?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jerome.
> 

Howdy,

See if the layout package satisfies your needs.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From jerome.eteve at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 17:47:53 2011
From: jerome.eteve at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWUgw4l0w6l2w6k=?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:47:53 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Displaying layout properties
In-Reply-To: <EFAFDA9B-9C5B-4BB2-B3F4-E581821B8F2D@wideopenwest.com>
References: <CAFkhWr8q=rQUFdA7U+WdUZska1BsFhe9OG+aoj=THfehWxnmcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <EFAFDA9B-9C5B-4BB2-B3F4-E581821B8F2D@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <CAFkhWr-RXvB49BE3VaPLjsWtN2HKs8SdXgXwG_xsan_DK64PNg@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, it does the job for me.

Thanks!

Jerome.

On 22 August 2011 16:01, Herbert Schulz <herbs at wideopenwest.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 9:46 AM, J?r?me ?t?v? wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a package to use to display all the current layout metrics
>> graphically on pages?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jerome.
>>
>
> Howdy,
>
> See if the layout package satisfies your needs.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>
>
>
>



-- 
Jerome Eteve.

http://sigstp.blogspot.com/
http://twitter.com/jeteve


From herries.press at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 22 19:22:21 2011
From: herries.press at earthlink.net (PETER WILSON)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:22:21 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: [XeTeX] Displaying layout properties
Message-ID: <25327347.1314033747199.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: J?r?me ?t?v? <jerome.eteve at gmail.com>
>Sent: Aug 22, 2011 3:46 PM
>To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
>Subject: [XeTeX] Displaying layout properties
>
>Hi,
>
>Is there a package to use to display all the current layout metrics
>graphically on pages?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jerome.
>
>-- 
>Jerome Eteve.
>

Try the layouts package, which also lets you experiment with different layouts.

Peter W.



From wvanrooijen at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 23 15:09:07 2011
From: wvanrooijen at yahoo.com (Wilfred van Rooijen)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 06:09:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XeTeX] Please help me in editing with fancy header in Latex
In-Reply-To: <CA+YexS9sm+yt0rT0VxTQnzZM2TfE2c3PUNGGMGjz7n=BGuRU9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+YexS9sm+yt0rT0VxTQnzZM2TfE2c3PUNGGMGjz7n=BGuRU9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1314104947.45498.YahooMailNeo@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I think the question was already answered, but if you're new to LaTeX:

- LaTeX is not difficult, but not simple either. Start by reading one of the introductory manuals: "The not so short introduction to LaTeX" is provided in all LaTeX distributions, in many languages
- All latex packages and class files have extensive documentation; only packages with proper manuals are archived and distributed. You can find these manuals by searching on your computer. For instance, to find the manual of the SIunits package on linux, you would use:

#> locate SIunits

- __read__ the manuals.
- If you are ready for some more in-depth reading, read the manual of the memoir class. It is 500 pages, but it will enlighten you and you will be able to make beautiful documents. 

- "beginners questions" or FAQs are very well available on forums and internet. Use Google.
- This xetex list is specific for for xe(la)tex and the specific issues it has regarding Unicode fonts and scripts. For more general latex questions, there are other email lists. I am sure that there is such a list in almost any country in the world.

Cheers,
Wilfred



________________________________
From: Saravanakumar Guru <gurusaravana at gmail.com>
To: xetex at tug.org
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: [XeTeX] Please help me in editing with fancy header in Latex


Dear Sir/Madam:
?
I want to use the package /fancyheader starting in the first chapter of my thesis, and not from the beginning of the document. How would I be able to do this in LaTeX.
?
Kind Regards,

-- 
Take Care,

Bye from Saravanakumar



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From chrbraun at web.de  Tue Aug 23 17:06:51 2011
From: chrbraun at web.de (Christopher Braun)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:06:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition of an Arabic poem with ednote and
	bidipoem.sty
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From garzohugo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 18:17:40 2011
From: garzohugo at gmail.com (Gareth Hughes)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:17:40 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition of an Arabic poem with ednote and
	bidipoem.sty
In-Reply-To: <2068801632.1253753.1314112011377.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb015>
References: <2068801632.1253753.1314112011377.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb015>
Message-ID: <4E53D2A4.8060003@gmail.com>

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On 23/08/11 16:06, Christopher Braun wrote:
> Dear list members,
> 
> for a critical edition of an Arabic text including poetry I would like
> to use bidipoem, but my ednote commands to edit the apparatus criticus
> do not work in the traditionalpoem-environment. Is there a solution to
> this problem? Moreover, it is not possible to add marginnotes and the
> linenumbering is interrupted.
> 
> Thank you for your help!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Christopher  


Dear Christopher,

Ednote and bidipoem conflict because their environments do similar
things with text layout. There are workarounds, but you have to choose
which package to work with, and then work in features from the other. My
xesyriac package (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~wolf2305/xesyriac.html, which
still needs a bit of work) sets Syriac poetry using the traditionalpoem
environment and adds line numbers. It also can add dramatic personae to
dialogue poems. Feel free to use any bits of it that meet your needs.
There's plenty of scope for development of packages that handle this
kind of thing in XeLaTeX. I'm sure Vafa and others will have some
thoughts on the best way to proceed.

Best wishes,

Gareth.
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From tomasek at etf.cuni.cz  Tue Aug 23 19:50:14 2011
From: tomasek at etf.cuni.cz (Petr Tomasek)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:50:14 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition of an Arabic poem with ednote and
	bidipoem.sty
In-Reply-To: <2068801632.1253753.1314112011377.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb015>
References: <2068801632.1253753.1314112011377.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb015>
Message-ID: <20110823175014.GA10972@ebed.etf.cuni.cz>

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 05:06:51PM +0200, Christopher Braun wrote:
>   Dear list members,
>
>   for a critical edition of an Arabic text including poetry I would like to
>   use bidipoem, but my ednote commands to edit the apparatus criticus do not
>   work in the traditionalpoem-environment. Is there a solution to this
>   problem? Moreover, it is not possible to add marginnotes and the
>   linenumbering is interrupted.
>
>   Thank you for your help!
>
>   Best wishes,
>
>   Christopher

I'd suggest You to learn plain TeX and make Your custom layout
as you wish. Once You learn the tricky part it's much easier
than trying to resolve LaTeX conflicts etc.

Best wishes
Petr Tomasek

-- 
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Jabber: butrus at jabbim.cz

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EA 355:002  TU TU TU TU
EA 355:003  NU NU NU NU NU NU NU
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Aug 23 21:53:47 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:53:47 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Please help me in editing with fancy header in Latex
In-Reply-To: <1314104947.45498.YahooMailNeo@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CA+YexS9sm+yt0rT0VxTQnzZM2TfE2c3PUNGGMGjz7n=BGuRU9A@mail.gmail.com>
 <1314104947.45498.YahooMailNeo@web120717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8236579-2663-4240-B311-C5D25947C00A@Web.DE>


Am 23.08.2011 um 15:09 schrieb Wilfred van Rooijen:

> #> locate SIunits

Locate is some non-TeX utility. It is not guaranteed that it will function. Better use the texdoc utility. The command

	texdoc texdoc

should enable you to use texdoc.

--
Greetings

  Pete

Without vi there is only GNU Emacs



From jbakker at uni-bonn.de  Wed Aug 24 15:03:37 2011
From: jbakker at uni-bonn.de (Jens Bakker)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:03:37 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Critical edition of an Arabic poem with ednote and
	bidipoem.sty
In-Reply-To: <2068801632.1253753.1314112011377.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb015>
References: <2068801632.1253753.1314112011377.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb015>
Message-ID: <CE75A6F7-F9ED-474E-85E7-CF01914C060F@uni-bonn.de>

Dear Christopher Braun,

Unfortunately, I am not well versed in the use of XeLaTeX/LaTeX and I have not been able to work on a critical edition for some time, but I can provide a kind of example for XeLaTeX which makes use of the package "manyfoot" and of course "bidi" by the way of "polyglossia", and which may be useful for you after modifications. To run this source file it is necessary to have the free font "Scheherazade" installed, or to choose another Arabic font in line 24 of the file, in the command: \newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic,Scale=1.6]{Scheherazade}.





In the documentation of the package "Arabxetex" you can find some suggestions for critical editions.

With best wishes and best regards,
Jens Bakker



Am 23.08.2011 um 17:06 schrieb Christopher Braun:

> Dear list members,
> 
> for a critical edition of an Arabic text including poetry I would like to use bidipoem, but my ednote commands to edit the apparatus criticus do not work in the traditionalpoem-environment. Is there a solution to this problem? Moreover, it is not possible to add marginnotes and the linenumbering is interrupted.
> 
> Thank you for your help!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Christopher  
> 
> 
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From heba.soliman at afec.org  Thu Aug 25 08:27:21 2011
From: heba.soliman at afec.org (Heba Mohamed Ahmed)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:27:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [XeTeX] rtl Longtable package
Message-ID: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>

Longtable package doesn't want to work in RTL mode do you know a way that I can
let it do. Your quick reply will be highly appreciated.


This is a sample TeX file:

\documentclass{amsbook}

\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[silent,quiet,no-math]{fontspec}
\usepackage{longtable}
\usepackage{bidi}

\setmainfont[Script=Arabic]{YakoutLinotypeLight-RegularKH.ttf}

\begin{document}
\setRTL
\begin{longtable}{rr}
? &?????\\
??& ???? ????? ? (????) \\
??& ??? ????? \\
?? &???\\
?? & ???? ??? ? (????) \\
?? & ??? ??? \\
?? &?????\\
?? & ??? ???? (????) \\
??& ???? ???? \\
??&??? ???? \\
??&??? \\
??& ??? ???? (???) \\
??& ???? ???? \\
??& ??? ???? \\
??& ??????? \\
??& ???? ????? ? (????) \\
?& ??? ?? ??? \\
?& ????? \\
?& ???? ???? \\
?& ??? ???? ? (??????) \\
?& ????? \\
?& ??? ??? ???? \\
?& ???? ??? ???? \\
?& ??? ??? ???? \\
?& ???? \\

\end{longtable}

\end{document}

Thanks,


From amunn at gmx.com  Thu Aug 25 21:25:13 2011
From: amunn at gmx.com (Alan Munn)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:25:13 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] rtl Longtable package
In-Reply-To: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7917AC9C-900E-48D3-B15E-D9661EE18112@gmx.com>

On Aug 25, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Heba Mohamed Ahmed wrote:

> Longtable package doesn't want to work in RTL mode do you know a way that I can
> let it do. Your quick reply will be highly appreciated.

As of this time last year, longtable simply isn't supported by bidi.  Vafa Khalighi (the author of bidi) presumably hasn't gotten around to doing that.

However, bidi does seem to support supertabular, which offers a similar functionality to longtable, so you should try that and see if it works.

(By the way, asking for quick replies isn't the best way to interact with an all volunteer mailing list.)

Alan

> 
> 
> This is a sample TeX file:
> 
> \documentclass{amsbook}
> 
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage[silent,quiet,no-math]{fontspec}
> \usepackage{longtable}
> \usepackage{bidi}
> 
> \setmainfont[Script=Arabic]{YakoutLinotypeLight-RegularKH.ttf}
> 
> \begin{document}
> \setRTL
> \begin{longtable}{rr}
> ? &?????\\
> ??& ???? ????? ? (????) \\
> ??& ??? ????? \\
> ?? &???\\
> ?? & ???? ??? ? (????) \\
> ?? & ??? ??? \\
> ?? &?????\\
> ?? & ??? ???? (????) \\
> ??& ???? ???? \\
> ??&??? ???? \\
> ??&??? \\
> ??& ??? ???? (???) \\
> ??& ???? ???? \\
> ??& ??? ???? \\
> ??& ??????? \\
> ??& ???? ????? ? (????) \\
> ?& ??? ?? ??? \\
> ?& ????? \\
> ?& ???? ???? \\
> ?& ??? ???? ? (??????) \\
> ?& ????? \\
> ?& ??? ??? ???? \\
> ?& ???? ??? ???? \\
> ?& ??? ??? ???? \\
> ?& ???? \\
> 
> \end{longtable}
> 
> \end{document}
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
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From kfeuerherm at wlu.ca  Thu Aug 25 22:42:15 2011
From: kfeuerherm at wlu.ca (Karljurgen Feuerherm)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:42:15 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] rtl Longtable package
In-Reply-To: <7917AC9C-900E-48D3-B15E-D9661EE18112@gmx.com>
References: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>
 <7917AC9C-900E-48D3-B15E-D9661EE18112@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <4E567B67.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>

I suspect this is more an attempt to be extra polite which didn't come out perfectly in English than to be pushy or demanding...  it's presumably understood that list subscribers try very hard to be helpful, and that any help offered comes at the expense of the one helping.

K

>>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at  3:25 PM, in message

> (By the way, asking for quick replies isn't the best way to interact with an 
> all volunteer mailing list.)
> 
> Alan




From P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk  Thu Aug 25 22:55:20 2011
From: P.Taylor at Rhul.Ac.Uk (Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd))
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:55:20 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] rtl Longtable package
In-Reply-To: <4E567B67.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
References: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>
 <7917AC9C-900E-48D3-B15E-D9661EE18112@gmx.com> <4E567B67.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
Message-ID: <4E56B6B8.2080708@Rhul.Ac.Uk>



Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:

> I suspect this is more an attempt to be extra polite which didn't come out perfectly in English than to be pushy or demanding...  it's presumably understood that list subscribers try very hard to be helpful, and that any help offered comes at the expense of the one helping.

I agree : I felt that Alan's parenthetical response was
not really called for.

Philip Taylor

From amunn at gmx.com  Thu Aug 25 23:36:54 2011
From: amunn at gmx.com (Alan Munn)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:36:54 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] rtl Longtable package
In-Reply-To: <4E56B6B8.2080708@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
References: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>
 <7917AC9C-900E-48D3-B15E-D9661EE18112@gmx.com> <4E567B67.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <4E56B6B8.2080708@Rhul.Ac.Uk>
Message-ID: <D42B4275-A05A-4658-B094-1E47840E3E64@gmx.com>

On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:

> 
> 
> Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
> 
>> I suspect this is more an attempt to be extra polite which didn't come out perfectly in English than to be pushy or demanding...  it's presumably understood that list subscribers try very hard to be helpful, and that any help offered comes at the expense of the one helping.
> 
> I agree : I felt that Alan's parenthetical response was
> not really called for.

Fair enough.  My apologies to the Heba.  I hope the answer helps, though.

Alan


-- 
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amunn at gmx.com






From keithjschultz at web.de  Fri Aug 26 10:08:22 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:08:22 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] rtl Longtable package
In-Reply-To: <D42B4275-A05A-4658-B094-1E47840E3E64@gmx.com>
References: <loom.20110825T082538-644@post.gmane.org>
 <7917AC9C-900E-48D3-B15E-D9661EE18112@gmx.com> <4E567B67.94AB.00CC.0@wlu.ca>
 <4E56B6B8.2080708@Rhul.Ac.Uk> <D42B4275-A05A-4658-B094-1E47840E3E64@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <7CF9EFFB-C80A-4BCF-A16B-80AD0D4F8D2A@web.de>

Hi All,

Although this is ended. 

There is another interpretation of the use of "quick reply"

quick can, also, mean brief/short !! That is how I read it. 

On the other side, Heba said a quick reply would be "highly appreciated".  Which is very polite,
even I he needed a response very fast! 

Language is so much fun. 

My apologies.

Keith.

Am 25.08.2011 um 23:36 schrieb Alan Munn:

> On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote:
>> 
>>> I suspect this is more an attempt to be extra polite which didn't come out perfectly in English than to be pushy or demanding...  it's presumably understood that list subscribers try very hard to be helpful, and that any help offered comes at the expense of the one helping.
>> 
>> I agree : I felt that Alan's parenthetical response was
>> not really called for.
> 
> Fair enough.  My apologies to the Heba.  I hope the answer helps, though.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan Munn
> amunn at gmx.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chrbraun at web.de  Fri Aug 26 10:23:45 2011
From: chrbraun at web.de (Christopher Braun)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:23:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [XeTeX] XeTeX Digest, Vol 89, Issue 27
Message-ID: <661806294.7106908.1314347025647.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb016>

Dear all,

thank you for your comments. Unfortunately, I'm more a beginner in XeLaTex, so I would prefer working with macros than creating my own environment. Is there any solution to edit Arabic poetry with ednotes (or maybe ledarab)? I join a minimal example of my file.

Thank you very much for your help!

Best wishes,

Christopher

?%&encoding=UTF-8 Unicode
%&program=xelatex
\documentclass[12pt, a4paper]{article}



\usepackage[novoc,fdf2alif]{arabxetex}
\usepackage{fix-cm}
\usepackage{fontspec}


\usepackage{marginnote}
\renewcommand*{\marginfont}{\bf\footnotesize}
\usepackage{xltxtra} %%text superscript


%%Polyglossia, includes bidi.sty
\usepackage[english]{polyglossia}
\newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic, Scale=1.3, WordSpace=2]{Scheherazade}

%%Bidipoem
\usepackage{bidipoem}


%%Fancy Header
\usepackage{fancyhdr}
\pagestyle{fancy}
\fancyhf{}
\fancyfoot[C]{\thepage}
\renewcommand{\headrulewidth}{0pt}
\setlength{\headheight}{16.5pt}
%%\renewcommand{\sectionmark}[1]{\markboth{#1}{}}
%%\chead{\leftmark}


\autofootnoterule

\usepackage[Apara, modulo, right, perpage, para*]{ednotes}

\PrecedeLevelWith{A}{\setRL}
\renewcommand*{\differentlines}[2]{\linesfmt{\RL{#1\textendash#2}}}%
\renewcommand*{\linesfmt}[1]{\raisebox{1ex}{\linenumberfont #1}~}%
\renewcommand{\lemmafmt}[1]{#1~[ }%


%% We do not want extra footnoterules between the different levels (see manyfoot doc):
\renewcommand{\extrafootnoterule}{}
\SelectFootnoteRule[0]{extra}

%% Finally, we define macros that make typing the critical edition as abstract as possible.
%% First the apparatus for VARIANTS in the Arabic text (level A):
\newcommand{\VAR}[2]{\Anote{\textarab{#1}}{\textarab{#2}}}
%% This is for lemmas of the form \VAR{LEMMA1\<LEMMA2\>LEMMA3}{NOTE}
%% where LEMMA2 is the portion omitted in the note: this macro is necessary
%% because \< and \> cannot appear inside the argument of \textarab
\newcommand{\VARX}[4]{\Anote{\textarab{#1}\ \<\textarab{#2}\>\ \textarab{#3}}{\textarab{#4}}}
\newcommand{\CORR}{\textarab{.sa.h.h-}\ }%

\begin{document}
\pagenumbering{arabic}
\fancyfoot[C]{\arabicfont\addfontfeature{Mapping=arabicdigits} \thepage}
\chead{}
\renewcommand{\linenumberfont}{\arabicfont\addfontfeature{Mapping=arabicdigits}\small}
\resetlinenumber
\reversemarginpar

\begin{arab}
\begin{pagewiselinenumbers}

\marginpar{\textarab{[1w]}}
bismi al-ll_ahi 'l-ra.hman 'l-ra.hIm

\begin{traditionalpoem}
?\marginpar{\textarab{[1.z]}}
tamsak bi-.habl al-ll_ahi \VAR{yA .sA.h}{\CORR yA .dA.h} wa-ijtahid&wa-'a.tlub wa-lA ta.djar fa-fI 'l-.talab 'l-_hayr\\
\end{traditionalpoem}

\newpage
?\end{pagewiselinenumbers}
\end{arab}
\end{document}

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:03:37 +0200
From: Jens Bakker <jbakker at uni-bonn.de>
To: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
Subject: Re: [XeTeX] Critical edition of an Arabic poem with ednote
and bidipoem.sty
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Dear Christopher Braun,

Unfortunately, I am not well versed in the use of XeLaTeX/LaTeX and I have not been able to work on a critical edition for some time, but I can provide a kind of example for XeLaTeX which makes use of the package "manyfoot" and of course "bidi" by the way of "polyglossia", and which may be useful for you after modifications. To run this source file it is necessary to have the free font "Scheherazade" installed, or to choose another Arabic font in line 24 of the file, in the command: \newfontfamily\arabicfont[Script=Arabic,Scale=1.6]{Scheherazade}.





In the documentation of the package "Arabxetex" you can find some suggestions for critical editions.

With best wishes and best regards,
Jens Bakker



Am 23.08.2011 um 17:06 schrieb Christopher Braun:

> Dear list members,
>
> for a critical edition of an Arabic text including poetry I would like to use bidipoem, but my ednote commands to edit the apparatus criticus do not work in the traditionalpoem-environment. Is there a solution to this problem? Moreover, it is not possible to add marginnotes and the linenumbering is interrupted.
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Christopher
>
>
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From olpa at uucode.com  Fri Aug 26 11:40:11 2011
From: olpa at uucode.com (Oleg Parashchenko)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:40:11 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
Message-ID: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>

Hello,

does XeTeX provide analogues of the pdfTeX commands

\pdfobj reserveobjnum {...}
\pdfobj useobjnum {...}
\pdflastobj

?


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From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Fri Aug 26 12:32:14 2011
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:32:14 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
In-Reply-To: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
Message-ID: <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:40:11AM +0200, Oleg Parashchenko wrote:

> does XeTeX provide analogues of the pdfTeX commands
> 
> \pdfobj reserveobjnum {...}
> \pdfobj useobjnum {...}
> \pdflastobj

Yes and no.
Unhappily there isn't any comprehensive documentation of XeTeX.
The syntax of \special{pdf:...} are explained in the documentation
of dvipdfm and dvipdfmx-special.
However XeTeX can only output UTF-8 (AFAIK), thus for arbitrary
binary data it's tricky (Hexadecimal syntax for strings,
#-syntax for names, Filter ASCII85Decode or ASCIIHexDecode for streams, ...)

In your case:
* \pdfobj reserveobjnum and \pdflastobj are not necessary, the
  object numbers are remembered by arbitrary user names preceded
  by "@" in the code of the \special{pdf:...}. The object number
  is not known at TeX level, AFAIK there is no need for this.
* \pdfobj useobjnum/pdfobj: Objects can be constructed by
    \special{pdf:object ...}
    \special{pdf:put ...}
    \special{pdf:close ...}
    \special{pdf:stream ...} (dvipdfmx)
    \special{pdf:fstream ...} (dvipdfmx)

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From olpa at uucode.com  Fri Aug 26 13:45:25 2011
From: olpa at uucode.com (Oleg Parashchenko)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:45:25 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
Message-ID: <20110826134525.3dc7dd2a.olpa@uucode.com>

Hello Heiko,

thanks a lot!

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:32:14 +0200
Heiko Oberdiek <heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com>
wrote:

...
> Unhappily there isn't any comprehensive documentation of XeTeX.
> The syntax of \special{pdf:...} are explained in the documentation
> of dvipdfm and dvipdfmx-special.

Thanks for pointing to dvipdfmx. The papers "Practical Use of Special
Commands in DVIPDFMx" and "DVI specials for PDF generation" and enough
for me.

> However XeTeX can only output UTF-8 (AFAIK), thus for arbitrary
> binary data it's tricky (Hexadecimal syntax for strings,
> #-syntax for names, Filter ASCII85Decode or ASCIIHexDecode for
> #streams, ...)

Not a problem for me.

> ...

-- 
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From dance_rock_rock at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 28 14:39:47 2011
From: dance_rock_rock at hotmail.com (Daniela)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:39:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [XeTeX] [SOLVED] Re: Issue with xgreek
References: <3b627c9e1003172232q1aa55d0fgdf78313391040870@mail.gmail.com>
 <3b627c9e1003180302p131f5f24td32badaa49dc65ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20110828T143902-643@post.gmane.org>

I have the same problem, can you tell me how to fix it?


From stephenmoye at mac.com  Mon Aug 29 02:52:30 2011
From: stephenmoye at mac.com (Stephen Moye)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:52:30 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
Message-ID: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>

I haven't had to do this in quite some time, so I'm a bit rusty. I had a microtype-compatible version of xetex installed and then updated my environment with TLU which apparently clobbered my xetex.

So now I'm trying to rebuild xetex, but I'm getting an error (Mac OS X, 10.7.1, xcode 4.1.1):

/Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp: In function ?int GetFontCharRange_AAT(OpaqueATSUStyle*, int)?:
/Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:867: error: ?ATSUGetAttribute? was not declared in this scope
/Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:869: error: ?FMGetATSFontRefFromFont? was not declared in this scope
make: *** [libxetex_a-XeTeXLayoutInterface.o] Error 1
+ ls -l /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex
ls: /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex: No such file or directory

I did 'svn up' prior to trying run build-xetex.sh. What are the current directions for building xetex, and where can I find them?

Thanks

Stephen Moye


Stephen Moye
stephenmoye at mac.com





From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Mon Aug 29 03:06:52 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:06:52 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
In-Reply-To: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
Message-ID: <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Stephen Moye wrote:

> I haven't had to do this in quite some time, so I'm a bit rusty. I had a microtype-compatible version of xetex installed and then updated my environment with TLU which apparently clobbered my xetex.
> 
> So now I'm trying to rebuild xetex, but I'm getting an error (Mac OS X, 10.7.1, xcode 4.1.1):
> 
> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp: In function ?int GetFontCharRange_AAT(OpaqueATSUStyle*, int)?:
> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:867: error: ?ATSUGetAttribute? was not declared in this scope
> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:869: error: ?FMGetATSFontRefFromFont? was not declared in this scope
> make: *** [libxetex_a-XeTeXLayoutInterface.o] Error 1
> + ls -l /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex
> ls: /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex: No such file or directory
> 
> I did 'svn up' prior to trying run build-xetex.sh. What are the current directions for building xetex, and where can I find them?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Stephen Moye
> 
> 
> Stephen Moye
> stephenmoye at mac.com


Howdy,

I just ran a file through xelatex that comes with MacTeX-2011 with all updates with and without the microtype package (2.5beta6) and I definitely saw a change in the paragraph layout, including protrusion but don't know about font expansion. What are you changing to make xelatex `more' compatible with the microtype package. Just interested.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From stephenmoye at mac.com  Mon Aug 29 03:20:09 2011
From: stephenmoye at mac.com (Stephen Moye)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:20:09 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
In-Reply-To: <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>


On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Herbert Schulz wrote:

> 
> On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Stephen Moye wrote:
> 
>> I haven't had to do this in quite some time, so I'm a bit rusty. I had a microtype-compatible version of xetex installed and then updated my environment with TLU which apparently clobbered my xetex.
>> 
>> So now I'm trying to rebuild xetex, but I'm getting an error (Mac OS X, 10.7.1, xcode 4.1.1):
>> 
>> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp: In function ?int GetFontCharRange_AAT(OpaqueATSUStyle*, int)?:
>> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:867: error: ?ATSUGetAttribute? was not declared in this scope
>> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:869: error: ?FMGetATSFontRefFromFont? was not declared in this scope
>> make: *** [libxetex_a-XeTeXLayoutInterface.o] Error 1
>> + ls -l /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex
>> ls: /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex: No such file or directory
>> 
>> I did 'svn up' prior to trying run build-xetex.sh. What are the current directions for building xetex, and where can I find them?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Stephen Moye
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen Moye
>> stephenmoye at mac.com
> 
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> I just ran a file through xelatex that comes with MacTeX-2011 with all updates with and without the microtype package (2.5beta6) and I definitely saw a change in the paragraph layout, including protrusion but don't know about font expansion. What are you changing to make xelatex `more' compatible with the microtype package. Just interested.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)

Sorry for the noise. Apparently it was not the version of xetex that got clobbered, but the version of microtype that was the problem. I just downloaded the version of the microtype package that works with xelatex and everything is back to normal -- whew. I'm not changing anything -- there was a microtype-aware branch of xetex and that was what I thought I had, and lost. 

No, I'm not using expansion, nor do I expect to do so. Protrusion is fine for the moment.

The question remains, though: How does one build xe(la)tex these days?

Thanks.

Stephen



From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Mon Aug 29 03:30:06 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:30:06 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
In-Reply-To: <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
Message-ID: <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 28, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Stephen Moye wrote:

> 
> On Aug 28, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Herbert Schulz wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Stephen Moye wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven't had to do this in quite some time, so I'm a bit rusty. I had a microtype-compatible version of xetex installed and then updated my environment with TLU which apparently clobbered my xetex.
>>> 
>>> So now I'm trying to rebuild xetex, but I'm getting an error (Mac OS X, 10.7.1, xcode 4.1.1):
>>> 
>>> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp: In function ?int GetFontCharRange_AAT(OpaqueATSUStyle*, int)?:
>>> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:867: error: ?ATSUGetAttribute? was not declared in this scope
>>> /Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:869: error: ?FMGetATSFontRefFromFont? was not declared in this scope
>>> make: *** [libxetex_a-XeTeXLayoutInterface.o] Error 1
>>> + ls -l /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex
>>> ls: /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex: No such file or directory
>>> 
>>> I did 'svn up' prior to trying run build-xetex.sh. What are the current directions for building xetex, and where can I find them?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Stephen Moye
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Stephen Moye
>>> stephenmoye at mac.com
>> 
>> 
>> Howdy,
>> 
>> I just ran a file through xelatex that comes with MacTeX-2011 with all updates with and without the microtype package (2.5beta6) and I definitely saw a change in the paragraph layout, including protrusion but don't know about font expansion. What are you changing to make xelatex `more' compatible with the microtype package. Just interested.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Herb Schulz
>> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
> 
> Sorry for the noise. Apparently it was not the version of xetex that got clobbered, but the version of microtype that was the problem. I just downloaded the version of the microtype package that works with xelatex and everything is back to normal -- whew. I'm not changing anything -- there was a microtype-aware branch of xetex and that was what I thought I had, and lost. 
> 
> No, I'm not using expansion, nor do I expect to do so. Protrusion is fine for the moment.
> 
> The question remains, though: How does one build xe(la)tex these days?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Stephen


Howdy,

Were you trying to build a 64bit xetex? I believe (folks, please correct me if I'm wrong) there is a problem building 64bit (some framework is 32bit only?) and the xetex for Mac (even the one in x86_64-darwin) is actually 32bit.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From sgmoye at verizon.net  Mon Aug 29 02:48:41 2011
From: sgmoye at verizon.net (Stephen Moye)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:48:41 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
Message-ID: <9A1E3A39-5DFC-48FC-8B22-C2CBC56C0F94@verizon.net>

I haven't had to do this in quite some time, so I'm a bit rusty. I had a microtype-compatible version of xetex installed and then updated my environment with TLU which apparently clobbered my xetex.

So now I'm trying to rebuild xetex, but I'm getting an error (Mac OS X, 10.7.1, xcode 4.1.1):

/Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp: In function ?int GetFontCharRange_AAT(OpaqueATSUStyle*, int)?:
/Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:867: error: ?ATSUGetAttribute? was not declared in this scope
/Users/smoye/microxetex/texk/web2c/xetexdir/XeTeXLayoutInterface.cpp:869: error: ?FMGetATSFontRefFromFont? was not declared in this scope
make: *** [libxetex_a-XeTeXLayoutInterface.o] Error 1
+ ls -l /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex
ls: /Users/smoye/microxetex/build-xetex/texk/web2c/xetex: No such file or directory

I did 'svn up' prior to trying run build-xetex.sh. What are the current directions for building xetex, and where can I find them?

Thanks

Stephen Moye

From keithjschultz at web.de  Mon Aug 29 19:32:10 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:32:10 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
In-Reply-To: <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
Message-ID: <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>

Hi Herbert,

You are right their is font library that is deprecated and only allows xe(l)tex to be built 32-bit!
This will have to change as the Mac world has going 64-bit. Yes, you can run 32-bit programs
under Lion, but it also comes at a performance price.

Anyone know exactly which library and how hard it would be to refractor or rewrite?

regards
	Keith.
  
Am 29.08.2011 um 03:30 schrieb Herbert Schulz:

> 
> Howdy,
> 
> Were you trying to build a 64bit xetex? I believe (folks, please correct me if I'm wrong) there is a problem building 64bit (some framework is 32bit only?) and the xetex for Mac (even the one in x86_64-darwin) is actually 32bit.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Herb Schulz
> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
> 



From gnwiii at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 02:57:58 2011
From: gnwiii at gmail.com (George N. White III)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:57:58 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
In-Reply-To: <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
Message-ID: <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:
> Hi Herbert,
>
> You are right their is font library that is deprecated and only allows xe(l)tex to be built 32-bit!
> This will have to change as the Mac world has going 64-bit. Yes, you can run 32-bit programs
> under Lion, but it also comes at a performance price.
>
> Anyone know exactly which library and how hard it would be to refractor or rewrite?
>

See the thread called "ATSUGetAttribute not found" on the tlbuild list
for a discussion.

Macports worked around the problem by building xetex using open source
libraries:

$ /opt/local/bin/xetex --version
XeTeX 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011/MacPorts 2011_1)
kpathsea version 6.0.1
Copyright 2011 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
the Lesser GNU General Public License.
For more information about these matters, see the file
named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
Compiled with ICU version 4.6 [with modifications for XeTeX]
Compiled with zlib version 1.2.5; using 1.2.5
Compiled with FreeType2 version 2.4.6; using 2.4.6
Compiled with fontconfig version 2.8.0; using 2.8.0
Compiled with libpng version 1.4.8; using 1.4.8
Compiled with poppler version 0.16.6

$ file /opt/local/bin/xetex
/opt/local/bin/xetex: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64


> regards
> ? ? ? ?Keith.
>
> Am 29.08.2011 um 03:30 schrieb Herbert Schulz:
>
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Were you trying to build a 64bit xetex? I believe (folks, please correct me if I'm wrong) there is a problem building 64bit (some framework is 32bit only?) and the xetex for Mac (even the one in x86_64-darwin) is actually 32bit.
>>
>> Good Luck,
>>
>> Herb Schulz
>> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
> ?http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
>



-- 
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Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia


From keithjschultz at web.de  Tue Aug 30 09:53:59 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:53:59 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware xetex
In-Reply-To: <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
 <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBA59A7C-21C9-4E18-90DF-5A900CAB560C@web.de>

Hi George,

	The Macports version of xetex is built 64-bit, but it does not have ATSU features.
	so it is not "fully" functional.

	The question is if there is an actual need to still support ATSU at all?
	If we do the question is how hard would be to rewrite the needed libraries.

	If this is the wrong place to discuss this, please point me in the right direction.

regards
	Keith.


Am 30.08.2011 um 02:57 schrieb George N. White III:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:
>> Hi Herbert,
>> 
>> You are right their is font library that is deprecated and only allows xe(l)tex to be built 32-bit!
>> This will have to change as the Mac world has going 64-bit. Yes, you can run 32-bit programs
>> under Lion, but it also comes at a performance price.
>> 
>> Anyone know exactly which library and how hard it would be to refractor or rewrite?
>> 
> 
> See the thread called "ATSUGetAttribute not found" on the tlbuild list
> for a discussion.
> 
> Macports worked around the problem by building xetex using open source
> libraries:
> 
> $ /opt/local/bin/xetex --version
> XeTeX 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011/MacPorts 2011_1)
> kpathsea version 6.0.1
> Copyright 2011 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
> There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
> covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
> the Lesser GNU General Public License.
> For more information about these matters, see the file
> named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
> Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
> Compiled with ICU version 4.6 [with modifications for XeTeX]
> Compiled with zlib version 1.2.5; using 1.2.5
> Compiled with FreeType2 version 2.4.6; using 2.4.6
> Compiled with fontconfig version 2.8.0; using 2.8.0
> Compiled with libpng version 1.4.8; using 1.4.8
> Compiled with poppler version 0.16.6
> 
> $ file /opt/local/bin/xetex
> /opt/local/bin/xetex: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
> 



From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Aug 30 11:15:30 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:15:30 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <CBA59A7C-21C9-4E18-90DF-5A900CAB560C@web.de>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
 <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CBA59A7C-21C9-4E18-90DF-5A900CAB560C@web.de>
Message-ID: <9BCB6BFA-452C-488D-91FC-0393CCFE7108@Web.DE>


Am 30.08.2011 um 09:53 schrieb Keith J. Schultz:

> 	The question is if there is an actual need to still support ATSU at all?

This question could probably be answered on some fonts or font technologies related list. Maybe Apple folks could contribute by answering whether Apple is going to support their own font development.

> 	If we do the question is how hard would be to rewrite the needed libraries.
> 

Some Mac developers list would be appropriate for this.

--
Greetings

  Pete

Real Time, adj.:
	Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and then.



From olpa at uucode.com  Tue Aug 30 12:19:51 2011
From: olpa at uucode.com (Oleg Parashchenko)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:19:51 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
Message-ID: <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>

Hello again,

On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:32:14 +0200
Heiko Oberdiek <heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com>
wrote:

...
> * \pdfobj useobjnum/pdfobj: Objects can be constructed by
>     \special{pdf:object ...}
>     \special{pdf:put ...}
>     \special{pdf:close ...}
>     \special{pdf:stream ...} (dvipdfmx)
>     \special{pdf:fstream ...} (dvipdfmx)

My idea was to implement one-pass "part K of N" functionality for
multipage tables. With pdftex it is easy, at least the test code works:

%%%
\pdfobj reserveobjnum {}
\mathchardef\num\pdflastobj

\edef\ppp{\noexpand\pdfliteral{BT [\the\pdflastobj\space 0 R]TJ ET}}
\def\para{Counter++. The final value is \ppp\par}

\para
\para

\immediate\pdfobj useobjnum\num {(test)}
%%%

Thanks to your suggestions, I thought that I could make a similar trick
with DVIPDFMx, but so far no solution is found, despite I tried several
different approaches. For further assistance, a letter ot the DVIPDFMx
mailing list is sent.

> 
> Yours sincerely
>   Heiko Oberdiek


-- 
Oleg Parashchenko  olpa@ http://uucode.com/
http://uucode.com/blog/  XML, TeX, Python, Mac, Chess


From zappathustra at free.fr  Tue Aug 30 12:28:38 2011
From: zappathustra at free.fr (Paul Isambert)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 12:28:38 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
In-Reply-To: <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>
Message-ID: <4E5CBB56.70900@free.fr>



Le 30/08/2011 12:19, Oleg Parashchenko a ?crit :
> Hello again,
>
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:32:14 +0200
> Heiko Oberdiek<heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ...
>> * \pdfobj useobjnum/pdfobj: Objects can be constructed by
>>      \special{pdf:object ...}
>>      \special{pdf:put ...}
>>      \special{pdf:close ...}
>>      \special{pdf:stream ...} (dvipdfmx)
>>      \special{pdf:fstream ...} (dvipdfmx)
> My idea was to implement one-pass "part K of N" functionality for
> multipage tables. With pdftex it is easy, at least the test code works:
>
> %%%
> \pdfobj reserveobjnum {}
> \mathchardef\num\pdflastobj
>
> \edef\ppp{\noexpand\pdfliteral{BT [\the\pdflastobj\space 0 R]TJ ET}}
> \def\para{Counter++. The final value is \ppp\par}
>
> \para
> \para
>
> \immediate\pdfobj useobjnum\num {(test)}
> %%%
>
> Thanks to your suggestions, I thought that I could make a similar trick
> with DVIPDFMx, but so far no solution is found, despite I tried several
> different approaches. For further assistance, a letter ot the DVIPDFMx
> mailing list is sent.

I'm not sure I understand clearly what you want to do, but I'll remark 
that the Navigator package offers a unified interface for PDF objects 
under current engines.

Best,
Paul

From cyocum at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 12:56:56 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:56:56 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Microtype (was Re: Trying to build microtype-aware xetex)
In-Reply-To: <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
 <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E5CC1F8.1090609@gmail.com>

Hi,

I was just wondering what would be necessary to get microtype into the
core of XeTeX?

After looking at the wiki
(http://xetex.tk/mediawiki/index.php/Microtype_package_(preliminary_version)),
there is a preliminary version.  Also, it looks like I would have to
write the cfg file for each font that I would like to use with it.

Thanks,
Chris

On 30/08/11 01:57, George N. White III wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:
>> Hi Herbert,
>>
>> You are right their is font library that is deprecated and only allows xe(l)tex to be built 32-bit!
>> This will have to change as the Mac world has going 64-bit. Yes, you can run 32-bit programs
>> under Lion, but it also comes at a performance price.
>>
>> Anyone know exactly which library and how hard it would be to refractor or rewrite?
>>
> 
> See the thread called "ATSUGetAttribute not found" on the tlbuild list
> for a discussion.
> 
> Macports worked around the problem by building xetex using open source
> libraries:
> 
> $ /opt/local/bin/xetex --version
> XeTeX 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011/MacPorts 2011_1)
> kpathsea version 6.0.1
> Copyright 2011 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
> There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
> covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
> the Lesser GNU General Public License.
> For more information about these matters, see the file
> named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
> Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
> Compiled with ICU version 4.6 [with modifications for XeTeX]
> Compiled with zlib version 1.2.5; using 1.2.5
> Compiled with FreeType2 version 2.4.6; using 2.4.6
> Compiled with fontconfig version 2.8.0; using 2.8.0
> Compiled with libpng version 1.4.8; using 1.4.8
> Compiled with poppler version 0.16.6
> 
> $ file /opt/local/bin/xetex
> /opt/local/bin/xetex: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
> 
> 
>> regards
>>        Keith.
>>
>> Am 29.08.2011 um 03:30 schrieb Herbert Schulz:
>>
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Were you trying to build a 64bit xetex? I believe (folks, please correct me if I'm wrong) there is a problem building 64bit (some framework is 32bit only?) and the xetex for Mac (even the one in x86_64-darwin) is actually 32bit.
>>>
>>> Good Luck,
>>>
>>> Herb Schulz
>>> (herbs at wideopenwest dot com)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
>>  http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
>>
> 
> 
> 

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From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 30 13:03:59 2011
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:03:59 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
In-Reply-To: <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>
Message-ID: <20110830110358.GA29064@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:19:51PM +0200, Oleg Parashchenko wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:32:14 +0200
> Heiko Oberdiek <heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> > * \pdfobj useobjnum/pdfobj: Objects can be constructed by
> >     \special{pdf:object ...}
> >     \special{pdf:put ...}
> >     \special{pdf:close ...}
> >     \special{pdf:stream ...} (dvipdfmx)
> >     \special{pdf:fstream ...} (dvipdfmx)
> 
> My idea was to implement one-pass "part K of N" functionality for
> multipage tables. With pdftex it is easy, at least the test code works:
> 
> %%%
> \pdfobj reserveobjnum {}
> \mathchardef\num\pdflastobj
> 
> \edef\ppp{\noexpand\pdfliteral{BT [\the\pdflastobj\space 0 R]TJ ET}}
> \def\para{Counter++. The final value is \ppp\par}
> 
> \para
> \para
> 
> \immediate\pdfobj useobjnum\num {(test)}
> %%%

And you need code for:
* that ensures, that the used glyphs are made known for pdfTeX,
  otherwise glyphs might be missing;
* that ensures, that the right font is active;
* that takes care of coordinate synchronization between
  pdfTeX's coordinate system and the user code at PDF level.

> Thanks to your suggestions, I thought that I could make a similar trick
> with DVIPDFMx,

\pdfliteral is available as \special{pdf:content ...},
\special{pdf:literal direct ...} and \special{pdf:code ...}.

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Aug 30 15:00:13 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:00:13 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Microtype (was Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex)
In-Reply-To: <4E5CC1F8.1090609@gmail.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
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Message-ID: <7D0E9402-2389-47F6-8A8E-D699A013E477@Web.DE>


Am 30.08.2011 um 12:56 schrieb Chris Yocum:

> I was just wondering what would be necessary to get micro-type into the
> core of XeTeX?

The recent XeTeX versions in TeX Live 2010 and 2011 *are* micro-type enabled.

> 
> After looking at the wiki
> (http://xetex.tk/mediawiki/index.php/Microtype_package_(preliminary_version)),
> there is a preliminary version.

They're not needed for recent TeX Live distributions. It's nevertheless useful to use the micro-type package from the TLcontrib site (http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/cgi-bin/package.cgi/action=listall). Cab be used with tlmgr (TLU on Macs).

> Also, it looks like I would have to write the cfg file for each font that I would like to use with it.

Indeed! Perfect font support needs font-specific config files. (And I would like to know how this can be achieved, I mean, by which means can I determine the values by which the glyphs protrude into the margins.)

--
Greetings

  Pete

Clovis' Consideration of an Atmospheric Anomaly:
        The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated than by the fact that, when exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft



From olpa at uucode.com  Tue Aug 30 15:27:40 2011
From: olpa at uucode.com (Oleg Parashchenko)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:27:40 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110830110358.GA29064@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
Message-ID: <20110830152740.4ebe1a5e.olpa@uucode.com>

Hello,

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:03:59 +0200
Heiko Oberdiek <heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com>
wrote:

...
> 
> And you need code for:
> * that ensures, that the used glyphs are made known for pdfTeX,
>   otherwise glyphs might be missing;

Yes, also noticed this issue.

> * that ensures, that the right font is active;
> * that takes care of coordinate synchronization between
>   pdfTeX's coordinate system and the user code at PDF level.

For a short text chunk, seems not a problem.

> 
> > Thanks to your suggestions, I thought that I could make a similar
> > trick with DVIPDFMx,
> 
> \pdfliteral is available as \special{pdf:content ...},
> \special{pdf:literal direct ...} and \special{pdf:code ...}.

Unfortunately, these commands are of no use for referring to other
objects. The TeX level just doesn't aware of exact numerical values of
created objects, and it seems DVIPDFM-literals do not resolve "@"-names.

> 
> Yours sincerely
>   Heiko Oberdiek


-- 
Oleg Parashchenko  olpa@ http://uucode.com/
http://uucode.com/blog/  XML, TeX, Python, Mac, Chess


From lasse at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de  Tue Aug 30 15:05:02 2011
From: lasse at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de (Lasse Bombien)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:05:02 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] xunicode combining ring above
Message-ID: <BB067DEB-9CE4-4745-9287-9730579D92A4@phonetik.uni-muenchen.de>

Dear list,

something goes wrong when I use the TIPA part of xunicode:
\r{x} doesn't give me an x with a ring above it but an x with a cedilla below. Direct
Unicode input works fine.
It doesn't seem to be a font problem as I tried several fonts.
Below is a minimal example. Does anyone have an idea?

Lasse

\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{Linux Libertine O}
\begin{document}
Tipa input: \textipa{ba\r Nkan}\\
unicode input: ba??kan
\end{document}



From heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com  Tue Aug 30 15:58:13 2011
From: heiko.oberdiek at googlemail.com (Heiko Oberdiek)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:58:13 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] analogues of \pdfobj?
In-Reply-To: <20110830152740.4ebe1a5e.olpa@uucode.com>
References: <20110826114011.7607ebae.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110826103214.GA19662@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <20110830121951.5c605605.olpa@uucode.com>
 <20110830110358.GA29064@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>
 <20110830152740.4ebe1a5e.olpa@uucode.com>
Message-ID: <20110830135813.GA29514@oberdiek.my-fqdn.de>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:27:40PM +0200, Oleg Parashchenko wrote:

> > \pdfliteral is available as \special{pdf:content ...},
> > \special{pdf:literal direct ...} and \special{pdf:code ...}.
> 
> Unfortunately, these commands are of no use for referring to other
> objects. The TeX level just doesn't aware of exact numerical values of
> created objects, and it seems DVIPDFM-literals do not resolve "@"-names.

Also, I forgot, you can't use references with \pdfliteral with your
text drawing operator either, from the PDF specification:

| Note in particular that content streams, which define the visible contents
| of the document, may not contain indirect references (see Section 3.7.1,
| "Content Streams").

Yours sincerely
  Heiko Oberdiek

From cyocum at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 16:25:11 2011
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:25:11 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] Microtype (was Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex)
In-Reply-To: <7D0E9402-2389-47F6-8A8E-D699A013E477@Web.DE>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
 <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E5CC1F8.1090609@gmail.com> <7D0E9402-2389-47F6-8A8E-D699A013E477@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <4E5CF2C7.5080601@gmail.com>



On 30/08/11 14:00, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
> Am 30.08.2011 um 12:56 schrieb Chris Yocum:
> 
>> I was just wondering what would be necessary to get micro-type into the
>> core of XeTeX?
> 
> The recent XeTeX versions in TeX Live 2010 and 2011 *are* micro-type enabled.

Ok, so how do I use it or is it already in effect?

> 
>>
>> After looking at the wiki
>> (http://xetex.tk/mediawiki/index.php/Microtype_package_(preliminary_version)),
>> there is a preliminary version.
> 
> They're not needed for recent TeX Live distributions. It's nevertheless useful to use the micro-type package from the TLcontrib site (http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/cgi-bin/package.cgi/action=listall). Cab be used with tlmgr (TLU on Macs).

Ok, I will see what I can do here.

> 
>> Also, it looks like I would have to write the cfg file for each font that I would like to use with it.
> 
> Indeed! Perfect font support needs font-specific config files. (And I would like to know how this can be achieved, I mean, by which means can I determine the values by which the glyphs protrude into the margins.)

I was thinking of doing this for linux libertine which is my font of
choice at the moment.

Thanks for the information!

Chris

> 
> --
> Greetings
> 
>   Pete
> 
> Clovis' Consideration of an Atmospheric Anomaly:
>         The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated than by the fact that, when exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From keithjschultz at web.de  Tue Aug 30 16:43:32 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 16:43:32 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
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ATSU is deprecated and replaced  by Core Text for handling unicode as of Leopard.

So, xetex has to be refractured or rewritten to use Core Text on the Mac. 
My question is how much of the code of xetex depend on ATSUI, so how hard would it be.

I am not a font tech geek or such. Maybe Mr. Kew can comment. 

regards
	Keith

Am 30.08.2011 um 11:15 schrieb Peter Dyballa:

> 
> Am 30.08.2011 um 09:53 schrieb Keith J. Schultz:
> 
>> 	The question is if there is an actual need to still support ATSU at all?
> 
> This question could probably be answered on some fonts or font technologies related list. Maybe Apple folks could contribute by answering whether Apple is going to support their own font development.
> 
>> 	If we do the question is how hard would be to rewrite the needed libraries.
>> 
> 
> Some Mac developers list would be appropriate for this.
> 
> --
> Greetings
> 
>  Pete
> 
> Real Time, adj.:
> 	Here and now, as opposed to fake time, which only occurs there and then.



From news3 at nililand.de  Tue Aug 30 17:07:07 2011
From: news3 at nililand.de (Ulrike Fischer)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:07:07 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] xunicode combining ring above
References: <BB067DEB-9CE4-4745-9287-9730579D92A4@phonetik.uni-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <mvbbg8m15wmi.dlg@nililand.de>

Am Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:05:02 +0200 schrieb Lasse Bombien:

> Dear list,
> 
> something goes wrong when I use the TIPA part of xunicode:
> \r{x} doesn't give me an x with a ring above it but an x with a cedilla below. Direct
> Unicode input works fine.
> It doesn't seem to be a font problem as I tried several fonts.
> Below is a minimal example. Does anyone have an idea?
> 
> Lasse
> 
> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{Linux Libertine O}
> \begin{document}
> Tipa input: \textipa{ba\r Nkan}\\
> unicode input: ba??kan
> \end{document}

That's a bug in xunicode. It contains the line

\let\realLaTeXring\c
\def\tipacedillaaccent{\TIPAaccent{\realLaTeXcedilla}}

This should be \let\realLaTeXcedilla\c ....

Put 
\let\realLaTeXring\r
\let\realLaTeXcedilla\c

in your document after loading fontspec to get around the bug and
notify the author.

-- 
Ulrike Fischer 


From gnwiii at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 18:47:51 2011
From: gnwiii at gmail.com (George N. White III)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:47:51 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <CBA59A7C-21C9-4E18-90DF-5A900CAB560C@web.de>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> ? ? ? ?The Macports version of xetex is built 64-bit, but it does not have ATSU features.
> ? ? ? ?so it is not "fully" functional.
>
> ? ? ? ?The question is if there is an actual need to still support ATSU at all?
> ? ? ? ?If we do the question is how hard would be to rewrite the needed libraries.

For some (my!) purposes, documents formatted across macosx, linux, and
windows need to come out the same (multiple authors working in different
locations with different IT "standards")  but the docs are manuals and
scientific
reports with relatively few non-ASCII elements (mostly proper names) outside
the math.   I can imagine that some documents really do need Apple
font technology, so at present those who need ATSU have to get by without
the 64-bit binaries.

Only those who really need ATSU can explain what they need -- perhaps it is
possible improve open source libraries to provide what is needed.  Many more
people are interested in improving the open source libraries than are interested
in xetex on macosx.

> ? ? ? ?If this is the wrong place to discuss this, please point me in the right direction.

One of the most useful sources on information about problems in font
libraries may
be bug reports, both those filed against xetex on other platforms and
against the open
source libraries.  A few years ago there were some quite insightful
discussions of
problems with the open source libraries (including comparisons with MS and
Apple) -- don't know if those have been updated.   This an area where
things are
developing rapidly, so I'm sure there have been significant changes.
There are higher
level libraries that hide platform differences, while taking advantage
of native support
on each platform.  This could be a better way forward than simply
updating the Apple
font library calls, but one would need to check that the higher level
libraries are
available everywhere xetex is needed.

> regards
> ? ? ? ?Keith.
>
>
> Am 30.08.2011 um 02:57 schrieb George N. White III:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Herbert,
>>>
>>> You are right their is font library that is deprecated and only allows xe(l)tex to be built 32-bit!
>>> This will have to change as the Mac world has going 64-bit. Yes, you can run 32-bit programs
>>> under Lion, but it also comes at a performance price.
>>>
>>> Anyone know exactly which library and how hard it would be to refractor or rewrite?
>>>
>>
>> See the thread called "ATSUGetAttribute not found" on the tlbuild list
>> for a discussion.
>>
>> Macports worked around the problem by building xetex using open source
>> libraries:
>>
>> $ /opt/local/bin/xetex --version
>> XeTeX 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011/MacPorts 2011_1)
>> kpathsea version 6.0.1
>> Copyright 2011 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
>> There is NO warranty. ?Redistribution of this software is
>> covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
>> the Lesser GNU General Public License.
>> For more information about these matters, see the file
>> named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
>> Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
>> Compiled with ICU version 4.6 [with modifications for XeTeX]
>> Compiled with zlib version 1.2.5; using 1.2.5
>> Compiled with FreeType2 version 2.4.6; using 2.4.6
>> Compiled with fontconfig version 2.8.0; using 2.8.0
>> Compiled with libpng version 1.4.8; using 1.4.8
>> Compiled with poppler version 0.16.6
>>
>> $ file /opt/local/bin/xetex
>> /opt/local/bin/xetex: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
>>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
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>



-- 
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Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia


From keithjschultz at web.de  Tue Aug 30 22:42:34 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:42:34 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <CAKTOP4458kkx-qzXnDUE=pwuziMNzTEEjgFZEUtjxZOHtMLXAw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi George,

I just did some checking and it seems it is possible to replace the 
calls to ATSUI with calls to Core Text with identical results. 

No, I have not test this with xetex, but it seems to work with engines
that support ATSUI. Their are also compatibility calls for Core Text for 
calling Quick draw routines for text, though xetex should not be using them anyway!

ATSUI is a Mac only thing and deprecated and more or less dead. But, I would agree that everything could probably done 
by Graphite, so all that would be needed is a graphite layer for the different OSes.

regards
	Keith.


Am 30.08.2011 um 18:47 schrieb George N. White III:

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:
> 
>> Hi George,
>> 
>>        The Macports version of xetex is built 64-bit, but it does not have ATSU features.
>>        so it is not "fully" functional.
>> 
>>        The question is if there is an actual need to still support ATSU at all?
>>        If we do the question is how hard would be to rewrite the needed libraries.
> 
> For some (my!) purposes, documents formatted across macosx, linux, and
> windows need to come out the same (multiple authors working in different
> locations with different IT "standards")  but the docs are manuals and
> scientific
> reports with relatively few non-ASCII elements (mostly proper names) outside
> the math.   I can imagine that some documents really do need Apple
> font technology, so at present those who need ATSU have to get by without
> the 64-bit binaries.
> 
> Only those who really need ATSU can explain what they need -- perhaps it is
> possible improve open source libraries to provide what is needed.  Many more
> people are interested in improving the open source libraries than are interested
> in xetex on macosx.
> 
>>        If this is the wrong place to discuss this, please point me in the right direction.
> 
> One of the most useful sources on information about problems in font
> libraries may
> be bug reports, both those filed against xetex on other platforms and
> against the open
> source libraries.  A few years ago there were some quite insightful
> discussions of
> problems with the open source libraries (including comparisons with MS and
> Apple) -- don't know if those have been updated.   This an area where
> things are
> developing rapidly, so I'm sure there have been significant changes.
> There are higher
> level libraries that hide platform differences, while taking advantage
> of native support
> on each platform.  This could be a better way forward than simply
> updating the Apple
> font library calls, but one would need to check that the higher level
> libraries are
> available everywhere xetex is needed.
> 
>> regards
>>        Keith.
>> 
>> 
>> Am 30.08.2011 um 02:57 schrieb George N. White III:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Keith J. Schultz <keithjschultz at web.de> wrote:
>>>> Hi Herbert,
>>>> 
>>>> You are right their is font library that is deprecated and only allows xe(l)tex to be built 32-bit!
>>>> This will have to change as the Mac world has going 64-bit. Yes, you can run 32-bit programs
>>>> under Lion, but it also comes at a performance price.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone know exactly which library and how hard it would be to refractor or rewrite?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> See the thread called "ATSUGetAttribute not found" on the tlbuild list
>>> for a discussion.
>>> 
>>> Macports worked around the problem by building xetex using open source
>>> libraries:
>>> 
>>> $ /opt/local/bin/xetex --version
>>> XeTeX 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011/MacPorts 2011_1)
>>> kpathsea version 6.0.1
>>> Copyright 2011 SIL International and Jonathan Kew.
>>> There is NO warranty.  Redistribution of this software is
>>> covered by the terms of both the XeTeX copyright and
>>> the Lesser GNU General Public License.
>>> For more information about these matters, see the file
>>> named COPYING and the XeTeX source.
>>> Primary author of XeTeX: Jonathan Kew.
>>> Compiled with ICU version 4.6 [with modifications for XeTeX]
>>> Compiled with zlib version 1.2.5; using 1.2.5
>>> Compiled with FreeType2 version 2.4.6; using 2.4.6
>>> Compiled with fontconfig version 2.8.0; using 2.8.0
>>> Compiled with libpng version 1.4.8; using 1.4.8
>>> Compiled with poppler version 0.16.6
>>> 
>>> $ file /opt/local/bin/xetex
>>> /opt/local/bin/xetex: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:
>>  http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> George N. White III <aa056 at chebucto.ns.ca>
> Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
> 
> 
> 
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From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Tue Aug 30 23:30:42 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 23:30:42 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
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Am 30.08.2011 um 16:43 schrieb Keith J. Schultz:

> ATSU is deprecated and replaced  by Core Text for handling unicode as of Leopard.
> 
> So, xetex has to be refractured or rewritten to use Core Text on the Mac. 

Why? XeTeX pioneered in the use of Unicode in TeX. Its development has come to a stop. LuaTeX is being developed. Do we need three Unicode TeXs? (The third one is pTeX.)

--
Greetings

  Pete

Don't just do something, sit there.



From gnwiii at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 03:00:02 2011
From: gnwiii at gmail.com (George N. White III)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:00:02 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa at web.de> wrote:
>
> Am 30.08.2011 um 16:43 schrieb Keith J. Schultz:
>
>> ATSU is deprecated and replaced ?by Core Text for handling unicode as of Leopard.
>>
>> So, xetex has to be refractured or rewritten to use Core Text on the Mac.
>Core Text
> Why? XeTeX pioneered in the use of Unicode in TeX. Its development has come to a stop. LuaTeX is being developed. Do we need three Unicode TeXs? (The third one is pTeX.)
>

In practice, XeTeX replaces Y&Y TeX for tasks that need to done today,
require system fonts, and use legacy pstricks figures.  This seems to
be working for many users on Windows and linux.

LuaTeX is too new to be trusted with workflows developed for Y&Y TeX.
 Is it useful for those who would otherwise want xetex with
Core Text support?


-- 
George N. White III <aa056 at chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia


From lasse at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de  Wed Aug 31 09:32:16 2011
From: lasse at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de (Lasse Bombien)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:32:16 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] xunicode combining ring above
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Perfect! Thanks, Ulrike.
I'll send a message to the maintainer.

Lasse
Am 30.08.2011 um 23:30 schrieb xetex-request at tug.org:

> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:07:07 +0200
> From: Ulrike Fischer <news3 at nililand.de>
> To: xetex at tug.org
> Subject: Re: [XeTeX] xunicode combining ring above
> Message-ID: <mvbbg8m15wmi.dlg at nililand.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Am Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:05:02 +0200 schrieb Lasse Bombien:
> 
>> Dear list,
>> 
>> something goes wrong when I use the TIPA part of xunicode:
>> \r{x} doesn't give me an x with a ring above it but an x with a cedilla below. Direct
>> Unicode input works fine.
>> It doesn't seem to be a font problem as I tried several fonts.
>> Below is a minimal example. Does anyone have an idea?
>> 
>> Lasse
>> 
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \usepackage{fontspec}
>> \setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{Linux Libertine O}
>> \begin{document}
>> Tipa input: \textipa{ba\r Nkan}\\
>> unicode input: ba??kan
>> \end{document}
> 
> That's a bug in xunicode. It contains the line
> 
> \let\realLaTeXring\c
> \def\tipacedillaaccent{\TIPAaccent{\realLaTeXcedilla}}
> 
> This should be \let\realLaTeXcedilla\c ....
> 
> Put 
> \let\realLaTeXring\r
> \let\realLaTeXcedilla\c
> 
> in your document after loading fontspec to get around the bug and
> notify the author.
> 
> -- 
> Ulrike Fischer 
> 



From keithjschultz at web.de  Wed Aug 31 12:02:22 2011
From: keithjschultz at web.de (Keith J. Schultz)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:02:22 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
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Hi Peter,


Am 30.08.2011 um 23:30 schrieb Peter Dyballa:

> 
> Am 30.08.2011 um 16:43 schrieb Keith J. Schultz:
> 
>> ATSU is deprecated and replaced  by Core Text for handling unicode as of Leopard.
>> 
>> So, xetex has to be refractured or rewritten to use Core Text on the Mac. 
> 
> Why? XeTeX pioneered in the use of Unicode in TeX. Its development has come to a stop. LuaTeX is being developed. Do we need three Unicode TeXs? (The third one is pTeX.)

Simple! Right out of the LuaTeX manual:
Features may come and go. The current version of LuaTEX is not meant for production and users cannot depend on stability, nor on functionality staying the same.

Nothing is considered stable just yet. 

In other words, xe(la)tex would be the way to go. For awhile. 
Also, I did not want to learn Lua. Oh, Well another programming language to add to the
up-tine programming languages I already have in my head.

I will give it a whirl.

regards
	Keith.

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From: mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com (Mojca Miklavec)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:10:02 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 23:30, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> Do we need three Unicode TeXs? (The third one is pTeX.)

http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/luatex-ja/

The idea behind the project is to make a pTeX replacement.

Mojca

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Aug 31 15:30:47 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:30:47 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
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Am 31.08.2011 um 12:02 schrieb Keith J. Schultz:

> Nothing is considered stable just yet. 

The same would be true when you try to port XeTeX from ATSUI to CoreText.

> 
> In other words, xe(la)tex would be the way to go. For awhile. 

And therefore keep old versions of Mac OS X! Leopard and Snow Leopard are OK (it depends on the hardware it will run on: Mac OS X must be younger than the hardware or it won't run on something it does not know). You can either clone your recent installation onto a smaller external disk, connected through FireWire, because this enables the Mac to boot from it, or onto an extra internal disk (when you're using a desk-side computer), or you can try to create a virtual instance of a Mac OS X version in which XeTeX is supported.

--
Greetings

  Pete

There's something the technicians need to learn from the artists. If it isn't aesthetically pleasing, it's probably wrong.



From jfkthame at googlemail.com  Wed Aug 31 16:50:53 2011
From: jfkthame at googlemail.com (Jonathan Kew)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:50:53 +0100
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
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On 31 Aug 2011, at 14:30, Peter Dyballa wrote:

>> In other words, xe(la)tex would be the way to go. For awhile. 
> 
> And therefore keep old versions of Mac OS X! Leopard and Snow Leopard are OK (it depends on the hardware it will run on: Mac OS X must be younger than the hardware or it won't run on something it does not know). You can either clone your recent installation onto a smaller external disk, connected through FireWire, because this enables the Mac to boot from it, or onto an extra internal disk (when you're using a desk-side computer), or you can try to create a virtual instance of a Mac OS X version in which XeTeX is supported.

Why, is there a problem with running the current (Intel build of) xetex on 10.7? I wasn't aware of this.

Seems like you're introducing unnecessary complication and confusion....

JK



From stephenmoye at mac.com  Wed Aug 31 17:33:25 2011
From: stephenmoye at mac.com (Stephen Moye)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:33:25 -0400
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build
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On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Kew wrote:

> On 31 Aug 2011, at 14:30, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
>>> In other words, xe(la)tex would be the way to go. For awhile. 
>> 
>> And therefore keep old versions of Mac OS X! Leopard and Snow Leopard are OK (it depends on the hardware it will run on: Mac OS X must be younger than the hardware or it won't run on something it does not know). You can either clone your recent installation onto a smaller external disk, connected through FireWire, because this enables the Mac to boot from it, or onto an extra internal disk (when you're using a desk-side computer), or you can try to create a virtual instance of a Mac OS X version in which XeTeX is supported.
> 
> Why, is there a problem with running the current (Intel build of) xetex on 10.7? I wasn't aware of this.
> 
> Seems like you're introducing unnecessary complication and confusion....
> 
> JK

I have only just tuned back in to this discussion, which I confess to having started by noting that I was having a problem compiling XeTeX under the new Xcode, specifically the branch of XeTeX development that was compatible with microtype,sty. I have since found out that the current version of XeTeX in TL2011 has this compatibility. I certainly never said anything whatsoever about a 64bit XeTeX or trying to compile one.

But the question remains: How can one compile XeTeX with the new Xcode? I gave an error message in my original post, but I can't seem to locate that right now.

In any event, XeLaTeX/microtype/protrusion is working just fine, and looks great -- so I'm happy.

Thanks.

Stephen Moye


From koch at math.uoregon.edu  Wed Aug 31 17:47:45 2011
From: koch at math.uoregon.edu (Richard Koch)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 08:47:45 -0700
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <8546265C-9A35-40FE-BEDB-14983FE1C272@gmail.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
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Folks,

I read lots of messages on the XeTeX and TeX on OS X mailing lists
of the form "I'm in the middle of a project using XeTeX; how do I do ?.?" This, plus
information from personal contacts, convinces me that XeTeX is heavily
used by people with real work to be done.

XeTeX runs fine on Lion, and other Macintosh systems. The minor 
problem, as others have pointed out, is that it uses the ATSUI font libraries
rather than Core Text. When Apple enabled 64 bit GUI applications in
Leopard at the end of 2007, they didn't convert ATSUI to 64 bits, so
XeTeX is a 32 bit application on the Mac. 

When we introduced 64 bit versions of TeX apps in MacTeX, timing tests showed
that the speed increase with 64 bits was minor. For that reason, adding those
64 bit versions was mildly controversial, and the need to compile XeTeX
in 64 bits isn't urgent.

Having said all of that, it would be wonderful if someone would take on the
task of converting the Macintosh portions of XeTeX from ATSUI to Core Text,
since it would remove the worry that Apple (at some distant time) would
remove the 32 bit ATSUI Library from the system, and would allow us to compile
all of TeX Live in 64 bits.

Dick Koch




From mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 18:04:42 2011
From: mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com (Mojca Miklavec)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:04:42 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <2805E843-54C1-4C48-BC86-948FD4D53F3D@math.uoregon.edu>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
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 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
 <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CBA59A7C-21C9-4E18-90DF-5A900CAB560C@web.de>
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Message-ID: <CALBOmsYaTqkgknVPq8iHrVwRPP4n=7M_rc2kYium8mvN9z-C5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 17:47, Richard Koch wrote:
>
> Having said all of that, it would be wonderful if someone would take on the
> task of converting the Macintosh portions of XeTeX from ATSUI to Core Text,
> since it would remove the worry that Apple (at some distant time) would
> remove the 32 bit ATSUI Library from the system, and would allow us to compile
> all of TeX Live in 64 bits.

10.5 is the last OS that works on PPC. In 10.7 they dropped support for PPC.
10.6 is the last OS that works on i386. Not that I expect it, but I
would not be surprised if Appled would drop support for i386 in 10.8
(or whatever their next OS version will be), but they will almost
certainly drop it two versions ahead from current one. That leaves
approximately 3 years time to adapt the code to remain usable.

Mojca

From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Aug 31 19:52:43 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:52:43 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <8546265C-9A35-40FE-BEDB-14983FE1C272@gmail.com>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <52479D3B-9B2E-4012-ADFC-B3D0E09BAD80@Web.DE>


Am 31.08.2011 um 16:50 schrieb Jonathan Kew:

> Why, is there a problem with running the current (Intel build of) xetex on 10.7? I wasn't aware of this.

And neither me. Because I'm not using Lion (Mac OS X 10.7).

> 
> Seems like you're introducing unnecessary complication and confusion....

It's always better to prepare when you can instead of trying when you can't.

--
Greetings

  Pete

There's no place like ~
			? (UNIX Guru)



From gnwiii at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 20:12:21 2011
From: gnwiii at gmail.com (George N. White III)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:12:21 -0300
Subject: [XeTeX] 64.bit XeTex was::Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex
In-Reply-To: <2805E843-54C1-4C48-BC86-948FD4D53F3D@math.uoregon.edu>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKTOP44VmFLOu8Nfwhy9fKk636PR2rxuNhTK5Fa4tOhQnTYqHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Richard Koch <koch at math.uoregon.edu> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I read lots of messages on the XeTeX and TeX on OS X mailing lists
> of the form "I'm in the middle of a project using XeTeX; how do I do ?.?" This, plus
> information from personal contacts, convinces me that XeTeX is heavily
> used by people with real work to be done.

Correct.  Although xetex started out as a mac project, it is now being used on
linux and Windows (and, at one time, on SGI IRIX64).

I assume that some fraction of xetex users really need things they get from
ATSUI that don't work on other platforms, but the way forward may be to
fix problems in the support libs used on other platforms but potentially
available to mac users as well, and/or finish luatex.

> XeTeX runs fine on Lion, and other Macintosh systems. The minor
> problem, as others have pointed out, is that it uses the ATSUI font libraries
> rather than Core Text. When Apple enabled 64 bit GUI applications in
> Leopard at the end of 2007, they didn't convert ATSUI to 64 bits, so
> XeTeX is a 32 bit application on the Mac.
>
> When we introduced 64 bit versions of TeX apps in MacTeX, timing tests showed
> that the speed increase with 64 bits was minor. For that reason, adding those
> 64 bit versions was mildly controversial, and the need to compile XeTeX
> in 64 bits isn't urgent.
>
> Having said all of that, it would be wonderful if someone would take on the
> task of converting the Macintosh portions of XeTeX from ATSUI to Core Text,
> since it would remove the worry that Apple (at some distant time) would
> remove the 32 bit ATSUI Library from the system, and would allow us to compile
> all of TeX Live in 64 bits.

It might be better to put energy into other projects (luatex and supporting
libraries).  If x86_64 xetex is needed, simply follow macports and
compile for x86_64 using open source libraries.

-- 
George N. White III <aa056 at chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia


From rolf.schmolling at alumni.TU-Berlin.de  Wed Aug 31 20:42:25 2011
From: rolf.schmolling at alumni.TU-Berlin.de (Rolf Schmolling)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:42:25 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Microtype (was Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex)
In-Reply-To: <7D0E9402-2389-47F6-8A8E-D699A013E477@Web.DE>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
 <CAKTOP47t5a0nah2jXF1pra-P6ygZo_eo8RY9fBA=edjiLzJ_1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <4E5CC1F8.1090609@gmail.com> <7D0E9402-2389-47F6-8A8E-D699A013E477@Web.DE>
Message-ID: <CF3B93E5-F1A8-4021-98D5-5EA30930392D@alumni.TU-Berlin.de>

Hello!
Am 30.08.2011 um 15:00 schrieb Peter Dyballa:

>> ?
> 
> The recent XeTeX versions in TeX Live 2010 and 2011 *are* micro-type enabled.
> ?

when I use TexLive 2011 with a generic XeLaTeX template with \usepackage{microtype} I get the following log:

This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
?
(/usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/tex/latex/microtype/microtype.sty

Package microtype Warning: You don't seem to be using pdftex.
(microtype)                `microtype' only works with pdftex.
(microtype)                Try running `pdflatex' instead of `xelatex'.

So what to do? This is on OSX 10.6.

regards,

Rolf


--
Rolf Schmolling M.A. Historian, Rolf.Schmolling at Alumni.TU-Berlin.DE
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From herbs at wideopenwest.com  Wed Aug 31 21:06:27 2011
From: herbs at wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:06:27 -0500
Subject: [XeTeX] Microtype (was Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex)
In-Reply-To: <CF3B93E5-F1A8-4021-98D5-5EA30930392D@alumni.TU-Berlin.de>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
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 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <DB38CEDC-9AE1-4B61-8147-44EE32D02E83@wideopenwest.com>


On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Rolf Schmolling wrote:

> Hello!
> Am 30.08.2011 um 15:00 schrieb Peter Dyballa:
> 
>>> ?
>> 
>> The recent XeTeX versions in TeX Live 2010 and 2011 *are* micro-type enabled.
>> ?
> 
> when I use TexLive 2011 with a generic XeLaTeX template with \usepackage{microtype} I get the following log:
> 
> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.3-0.9997.5 (TeX Live 2011)
> ?
> (/usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/tex/latex/microtype/microtype.sty
> 
> Package microtype Warning: You don't seem to be using pdftex.
> (microtype)                `microtype' only works with pdftex.
> (microtype)                Try running `pdflatex' instead of `xelatex'.
> 
> So what to do? This is on OSX 10.6.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Rolf


Howdy,

You need to get the 2.5beta6 version of microtype. Since it isn't released you have to install it manually.

Good Luck,

Herb Schulz
(herbs at wideopenwest dot com)





From Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE  Wed Aug 31 22:59:35 2011
From: Peter_Dyballa at Web.DE (Peter Dyballa)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:59:35 +0200
Subject: [XeTeX] Microtype (was Re: Trying to build microtype-aware
	xetex)
In-Reply-To: <CF3B93E5-F1A8-4021-98D5-5EA30930392D@alumni.TU-Berlin.de>
References: <BA9F514E-50CB-45DB-BDCE-36C180F84096@mac.com>
 <57249C2F-12FA-44C0-8C5D-FBF2B751F3BB@wideopenwest.com>
 <C675BC30-A830-4F0E-9AA4-22D7C0982630@mac.com>
 <87F8D48B-2316-4FFF-9483-45241C93683C@wideopenwest.com>
 <D8B37DDE-F578-4652-9FE0-73FACBFA8CF9@web.de>
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 <CF3B93E5-F1A8-4021-98D5-5EA30930392D@alumni.TU-Berlin.de>
Message-ID: <0808BECE-9B71-4DB6-956C-DC730C6F62DC@Web.DE>


Am 31.08.2011 um 20:42 schrieb Rolf Schmolling:

> So what to do?

As Herb mentioned: you need to download and install the "experimental" microtype package from the TLcontrib site. Tlmgr on all platforms and TLU (TeX Live Utility) on modern Mac OS X platforms (Snow Leopard, Lion) can perform this task completely. (The package is installed in the usual tree, not the local ? or the personal ? one, so you need to perform this task in TeX Live 2010 and again in TeX Live 2011.)

--
Mit friedvollen Gr??en

  Pete

Das Milit?r ist eine Pflanze, die mensch sorgf?ltig pflegen muss, damit sie keine Fr?chte tr?gt.
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