From ron.fehd.macro.maven at gmail.com Fri Mar 1 03:39:42 2013 From: ron.fehd.macro.maven at gmail.com (Ron RJF Fehd) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:39:42 -0500 Subject: [texhax] how to cite a wikipedia page Message-ID: Hi Krewe I am writing an article for my SAS user group conference. and am wondering about Convention Wisdom for citations of wikipedia.org pages. Are any other authors citing wikipedia.org as a reference? If so, 1. which? i.e.: as an article, book, collection, journal, proceedings, etc? 2. author for wikipedia entry? These are the BibTeX entries I am using. @inproceedings{www-wiki.Call-by-Reference, booktitle={www Wikipedia}, year = 2005, author ={Et Alia}, title ={Evaluation Strategy}, note ={call by reference or call by value}, url ={http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_by_reference}}} @inproceedings{utexas-trans.Why-Numbering-Starts-At-Zero, booktitle={Univ/Texas transcripts}, year = 1982, author ={Edsger W. Dijkstra}, title ={Why numbering should start at zero}, url ={http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD831.html}} @inproceedings{sas-wiki.Cardinality-Ratio, booktitle={SAS Community Wikipedia}, year = 2008, author ={Ronald J. Fehd}, title ={Cardinality-Ratio}, note ={topics: definition and programs}, url ={http://www.sascommunity.org/wiki/Cardinality_Ratio}} Ron Fehd citation maven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neal at walfield.org Fri Mar 1 09:39:30 2013 From: neal at walfield.org (Neal H. Walfield) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:39:30 +0100 Subject: [texhax] controlling expansion In-Reply-To: <89ECE88578D8F648A22E307DAEE88579091E9FE5@SRVUNIMBX07.uni.au.dk> References: <8738wgsmwk.wl%neal@walfield.org> <87zjyoqyp5.wl%neal@walfield.org> Message-ID: <87y5e7qzst.wl%neal@walfield.org> These are valid concerns in the general case. In my particular case, however, I really am interested in the empty string, i.e., ''. Thanks, Neal At Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:15:02 +0000, Lars Madsen wrote: > > And what exactly would you consider empty, is \dosomething{ } empty or not? > > /Lars Madsen > Institut for Matematik / Department of Mathematics > Aarhus Universitet / Aarhus University > Mere info: http://au.dk/daleif at imf / More information: http://au.dk/en/daleif at imf > > > ________________________________________ > From: texhax [texhax-bounces at tug.org] on behalf of Michael Doob [mdoob at cc.umanitoba.ca] > Sent: 28 February 2013 16:02 > To: texhax at tug.org > Subject: Re: [texhax] controlling expansion > > On 13-02-28 08:51 AM, Neal H. Walfield wrote: > > I spent some time reading and found a good solution for determining > > whether an argument is empty in David Solomon's Advanced TeXbook: > > > > \ifx\empty#1\empty empty \else not empty\fi > > > > Nice trick! TeX requires a lot of lateral thinking. > > Cute, but what about \empty{\empty}? :-) > > Cheers, > Michael > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Michael Doob Telephone: (204) 474-9796 > Department of Mathematics Fax: (204) 474-7606 > University of Manitoba email: Michael_Doob at umanitoba.ca > Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3T 2N2 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq > Mailing list archives: http://tug.org/pipermail/texhax/ > More links: http://tug.org/begin.html > > Automated subscription management: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/texhax > Human mailing list managers: postmaster at tug.org > > _______________________________________________ > TeX FAQ: http://www.tex.ac.uk/faq > Mailing list archives: http://tug.org/pipermail/texhax/ > More links: http://tug.org/begin.html > > Automated subscription management: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/texhax > Human mailing list managers: postmaster at tug.org > From s.schwartz at imperial.ac.uk Fri Mar 1 09:49:38 2013 From: s.schwartz at imperial.ac.uk (Schwartz, Steven J) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:49:38 +0000 Subject: [texhax] how to cite a wikipedia page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron On 1 Mar 2013, at 02:46, "Ron RJF Fehd" > wrote: I am writing an article for my SAS user group conference. and am wondering about Convention Wisdom for citations of wikipedia.org pages. Are any other authors citing wikipedia.org as a reference? If so, 1. which? i.e.: as an article, book, collection, journal, proceedings, etc? 2. author for wikipedia entry? I'm sure there are better LaTeXie answers, but from a pragmatic point of view what matters is the information that gets inserted in your bibliography - and it's formatting. This has as much to do with your bibliography style (bst) as it does with the classification as article, book etc. So I would compose by hand what I wanted the citation/reference to look like and then get latex to match it. This solution of course is not robust against application to a different bst but it reinforces the point of the exercise, namely to generate a document that is appropriately referenced. It is good practise, btw, when citing web pages, to include in the bibliography the date the page was accessed, as the reader may be in for a shock when they follow the URL and find something different. In the case of wikipedia, the user may even be able to troll through the document history to see when it was changed, why, and by whom. I also think that the author field should be "Wikipedia" or somesuch, alphabetised undress W. Best wishes Steve ----------- Steve Schwartz Space and Atmospheric Physics Imperial College London Tel 020 7594 7660 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uwe.lueck at web.de Fri Mar 1 09:57:59 2013 From: uwe.lueck at web.de (Uwe =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=FCck?=) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:57:59 +0100 Subject: [texhax] The details of \csname, in this specific case In-Reply-To: <20783.56322.184224.48500@zaphod.ms25.net> References: <1361817322.16479.149.camel@uwe-laptop> <20779.52622.458414.79925@zaphod.ms25.net> <1361874556.2529.41.camel@uwe-laptop> <1361892714.4532.9.camel@uwe-laptop> <1362086887.9952.26.camel@uwe-laptop> <20783.56322.184224.48500@zaphod.ms25.net> Message-ID: <1362128279.2315.5.camel@uwe-laptop> Am Donnerstag, den 28.02.2013, 23:36 +0100 schrieb Reinhard Kotucha: > On 2013-02-28 at 22:28:07 +0100, Uwe L?ck wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, den 26.02.2013, 17:31 -0500 schrieb Joel C. Salomon: > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Uwe L?ck wrote: > > > > Thanks, great to learn. I dared to look at the fucking TeX Live manual > > > > > > There's your problem; read the manual on *using* TeX Live instead. > > > > You are very right: I have (sometimes) tried to find documentation > > of how to *use* TeX Live, but somehow I couldn't. What I find is > > rather about how installation works. I have not needed such information > > for getting results that I have been happy with. I have tried > > "pdflatex", "latex", and "tex", fine, but why? > > (I need not know urgently.) > > > > Can YOU tell me? Does "the" manual contain something about > > "using" TeX Live, or is there a different manual on *using* TeX Live? > > (Two possible interpretations of your hint.) > > Uwe, don't be silly. Aha. > TeX Live is a TeX distribution and the manual describes in detail > everything one has to know in order to install and use this > distribution. > > However, if you don't know how to use pdflatex, latex, or tex, consult > > http://tug.org/begin.html > > The TeX Live Guide already has a link to this URL on page 3. What are > you missing? This is too much. Maybe when I read the page word by word and try many klicks, I will find an overview of what TeX Live's binaries tex, etex, pdftex, pdfetex do (what engine they use). Actually, the purpose of begin.html cannot be explaining TeX Live. I am not a beginner, you know, I have specific questions about TeX live. It seems to me that your hint real nonsense. You seem to have a bias to misunderstand me and to send mails that miss the point and so are not helpful, so exchanging mails makes little sense. -- Uwe. From khaledhosny at eglug.org Fri Mar 1 12:39:37 2013 From: khaledhosny at eglug.org (Khaled Hosny) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 13:39:37 +0200 Subject: [texhax] The details of \csname, in this specific case In-Reply-To: <20783.56322.184224.48500@zaphod.ms25.net> References: <1361817322.16479.149.camel@uwe-laptop> <20779.52622.458414.79925@zaphod.ms25.net> <1361874556.2529.41.camel@uwe-laptop> <1361892714.4532.9.camel@uwe-laptop> <1362086887.9952.26.camel@uwe-laptop> <20783.56322.184224.48500@zaphod.ms25.net> Message-ID: <20130301113937.GA32708@khaled-laptop> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:36:50PM +0100, Reinhard Kotucha wrote: > What are you missing? A brain? From pmsf at alu.dc.ufc.br Fri Mar 1 13:08:26 2013 From: pmsf at alu.dc.ufc.br (Pablo Mayckon) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 09:08:26 -0300 Subject: [texhax] how to cite a wikipedia page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4615967f4b3977196a7b2e23a6feb551.squirrel@alu.dc.ufc.br> > I also think that the author field should be "Wikipedia" or somesuch, > alphabetised undress W. Hello! At the left side of a Wikipedia page there is a link "Cite this page", where one can find the bibliographic information of the page and also the proper citation in various formats; it also gives a BibTeX entry like this: @misc{ wiki:xxx, author = "Wikipedia", title = "ML (programming language) --- Wikipedia{,} The Free Encyclopedia", year = "2013", url = "\url{http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ML_(programming_language)&oldid=539737747}", note = "[Online; accessed 1-March-2013]" } Hope this helps! --Pablo. From uwe.lueck at web.de Fri Mar 1 15:19:16 2013 From: uwe.lueck at web.de (Uwe =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=FCck?=) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 15:19:16 +0100 Subject: [texhax] [Re: The details of \csname] TeX Live binaries documentation In-Reply-To: <20130301113937.GA32708@khaled-laptop> References: <1361817322.16479.149.camel@uwe-laptop> <20779.52622.458414.79925@zaphod.ms25.net> <1361874556.2529.41.camel@uwe-laptop> <1361892714.4532.9.camel@uwe-laptop> <1362086887.9952.26.camel@uwe-laptop> <20783.56322.184224.48500@zaphod.ms25.net> <20130301113937.GA32708@khaled-laptop> Message-ID: <1362147556.3257.63.camel@uwe-laptop> Am Freitag, den 01.03.2013, 13:39 +0200 schrieb Khaled Hosny: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:36:50PM +0100, Reinhard Kotucha wrote: > > What are you missing? > > A brain? The most brilliant minds contribute to this list. Anyway, Joel Salomon helped me to find words for a feeling of unhappiness with the TeX Live documentation: I read pages of a TOC in order to find a single entry that is not obviously irrelevant for me. Put roughly, I am happy with my TeX installation, so it would be nice to find something on "using" TeX Live rather than "installing" something. Of course, I am not looking for TeX or LaTeX documentation, but for what is specific with TeX Live. I have now seen the man pages for TeX Live commands, they are fine for me. What I perhaps "miss" is a list of TeX Live binaries with one-line descriptions -- that I can find without digging through a list of hundred links on other subjects. The section "Extensions to TeX" is a kind of first steps towards such a list. There is an instance of confusion for me when the command "etex" is mentioned in the description item for PdfTeX, while the description item for e-TeX does not mention a TeX Live command for invoking e-TeX. In this respect, I am saying that the documentation is not "complete", something is "missing". But even if the documentation does describe "using" TeX Live, it needs so much effort to find that that I have sometimes given up quickly. I had found texlive-en.pdf when I googled for "list of TeX Live binaries", but I did not find a list of TeX Live binaries -- apart from file lists from Linux distributions, such lists don't help anything. With "info" (Linux), I get a list including only a few list of binaries with one-line descriptions. On the web, there are lists of Unix commands with one-line descriptions, such as http://ss64.com/bash/ This is alphabetical, the German Wikipedia has a smaller list ordered by subjects: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-Kommandos Variants of this just for TeX Live commands would be nice. It is not urgent, I have "used" TeX Live successfully and happily without any documentation, by trial and error. I just started to think about "wishes" about TeX Live documentation after some contributors had behaved as if I had criticized the TeX Live documentation, and after the mentioned idea for "words" for such criticism. -- Uwe. From vi5u0-texhax at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 1 20:39:26 2013 From: vi5u0-texhax at yahoo.co.uk (Dan) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 19:39:26 +0000 Subject: [texhax] how to cite a wikipedia page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, Ron RJF Fehd wrote: > I am writing an article for my SAS user group conference. > and am wondering about Convention Wisdom > for citations of wikipedia.org pages. I don't necessarily claim to be blessed with wisdom, conventional or otherwise, but I usually go for something like this: @INCOLLECTION{:2007:SN, crossref="::WFE", title="Stefan number", year=2007, month=feb # "~17", note="{URL}: $\langle$\urn{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_number}$\rangle$" } @MISC{::WFE, title="Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", howpublished="World-Wide Web pages", note="{URL}: $\langle$\urn{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page}$\rangle$", booktitle="Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" } -- HTH, Dan From uwe.lueck at web.de Sat Mar 2 12:50:48 2013 From: uwe.lueck at web.de (Uwe =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=FCck?=) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 12:50:48 +0100 Subject: [texhax] TeX Live binaries documentation In-Reply-To: <20130301113937.GA32708@khaled-laptop> References: <1361817322.16479.149.camel@uwe-laptop> <20779.52622.458414.79925@zaphod.ms25.net> <1361874556.2529.41.camel@uwe-laptop> <1361892714.4532.9.camel@uwe-laptop> <1362086887.9952.26.camel@uwe-laptop> <20783.56322.184224.48500@zaphod.ms25.net> <20130301113937.GA32708@khaled-laptop> Message-ID: <1362225048.8650.14.camel@uwe-laptop> Before, I wrote that I would like to see a list of all the TeX Live binaries that invoke some TeX engine, together with a short description. Especially I would like to see which engine is invoked, especially w.r.t. etex/e-TeX. (Actually TeX Live seems not to provide a real e-TeX, rather "emulates" it by the DVI mode of PdfTeX.) Now I see that Arno Trautmann's tex-overview.pdf http://ctan.org/pkg/tex-overview has a section "Program Names" that is what I would like to have. It only would need to be checked. -- Uwe.